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Dec 10 20:46:45 <linc_>	hello??
Dec 10 20:47:00 <Mellofone>	hello :)
Dec 10 20:47:08 <linc_>	anyone there :-)
Dec 10 20:47:15 <linc_>	Hi mellophone :-)
Dec 10 20:47:20 <Mellofone>	Hello :)
Dec 10 20:47:24 <Mellofone>	I use naim
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Dec 10 20:47:42 <linc>	naim?
Dec 10 20:48:57 <Mellofone>	yup
Dec 10 20:49:14 <Mellofone>	http://site.n.ml.org/info/naim/
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Dec 10 20:49:25 <Mellofone>	irc and IM in one client
Dec 10 20:49:57 <linc>	cool!  Looks nice!  just took me an hour to figure out how to save an xchat log.
Dec 10 20:50:17 <Mellofone>	bah! I hate GUI! :)
Dec 10 20:50:18 <linc>	before that was 45 mins to figure out that BitchX was a horrible broken chat client
Dec 10 20:50:30 <dann>	will you be recording the chat session?
Dec 10 20:50:33 <Mellofone>	I love BitchX... you don't like that?
Dec 10 20:50:40 <linc>	I am recording it right now, yes..
Dec 10 20:50:52 <Mellofone>	naim logs everything by default
Dec 10 20:50:54 <linc>	can't stand bitchx..
Dec 10 20:50:57 <Mellofone>	why?
Dec 10 20:51:20 <dann>	hopefully no more crashes tonight.
Dec 10 20:51:20 <linc>	well, for one the "/who" keeps telling me i am too lame to read the docs, but I have read them..
Dec 10 20:51:34 <Mellofone>	use /whois :)
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Dec 10 20:52:13 <linc>	for 2, i cant get a savelog without ansi escape seq's in it
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Dec 10 20:52:27 <linc>	that was quick dann?!
Dec 10 20:52:35 <Mellofone>	there is a great plugin that logs everything in plain text
Dec 10 20:52:50 <Mellofone>	I think it's called bxlog
Dec 10 20:52:54 <Mellofone>	something like that
Dec 10 20:53:02 <linc>	why on earth should I have to find a plugin just to save an ascii text log?
Dec 10 20:53:03 <Mellofone>	I haven't used it for quite some time
Dec 10 20:53:41 <linc>	after I finally figured out how to turn it on in xchat, it's *much* nicer..
Dec 10 20:54:00 <Mellofone>	why not just use mIRC? :)
Dec 10 20:54:09 <Paladin>	Heh, mIRC rules.  Eat it.
Dec 10 20:54:15 <linc>	BTW Mellophone, did you say you had logs of the previous shows?
Dec 10 20:54:23 <linc>	I will try mirc next :-)
Dec 10 20:54:42 <Mellofone>	I have one long log file for this channel, whenever I was here
Dec 10 20:54:54 <Mellofone>	it's already converted to colorized html
Dec 10 20:55:07 <linc>	any way I could get a copy?  I'd like to stick it on the website..
Dec 10 20:55:12 <Mellofone>	sure
Dec 10 20:55:31 <Mellofone>	I will see what I have and email it
Dec 10 20:55:39 <linc>	great!  thanks!
Dec 10 20:55:40 <Paladin>	Uh oh, I guess I should watch what I say.
Dec 10 20:55:48 <Mellofone>	but only afer one of you guys install Debian :)
Dec 10 20:55:56 <Paladin>	Heheh, nice!
Dec 10 20:56:12 <Mellofone>	or better yet, Gentoo :)
Dec 10 20:56:13 <linc>	as soon as you start running slackware!
Dec 10 20:56:27 <linc>	once you go slack, you never go back...!
Dec 10 20:56:36 <Mellofone>	well then you better save your own logs :)
Dec 10 20:56:44 <Mellofone>	come on, let's be honest
Dec 10 20:56:50 <Mellofone>	give me one reason to try slack
Dec 10 20:57:01 <Paladin>	I think if you do apt-get dis-downgrade on Debian it loads Slackware.
Dec 10 20:57:05 <linc>	it's better
Dec 10 20:57:09 <Mellofone>	why though
Dec 10 20:57:24 <linc>	for one, the installer is MUCH better
Dec 10 20:57:29 <Mellofone>	WHY
Dec 10 20:57:33 <Mellofone>	seriously, why?
Dec 10 20:57:38 <Paladin>	Oooooh boy, here we go.
Dec 10 20:57:50 <linc>	easier to use but still very easy to get that ultra customized install
Dec 10 20:58:09 <Mellofone>	easier != better
Dec 10 20:58:16 <linc>	That's my major beef about debian, I can't get past the damn install..
Dec 10 20:58:33 <Paladin>	I do a netinst off a single floppy or CD and then install exactly what I want.  Just skip tasksel
Dec 10 20:58:39 <linc>	Even after the install, I can't get X to work - it's infuriating..
Dec 10 20:58:52 <Paladin>	I'm a big goof, and even I could do the install.  It walks you through it.
Dec 10 20:59:04 <Mellofone>	you can't get X working?
Dec 10 20:59:18 <linc>	yeah but I didn't KNOW I should skip tasksel..  If it's so horrible, why confuse people with it?
Dec 10 20:59:33 <Mellofone>	it's not horrible
Dec 10 20:59:35 <Mellofone>	it works great
Dec 10 20:59:44 <linc>	tasksel?
Dec 10 20:59:48 <Paladin>	Yeah, its perfect for people who dont want to worry about what needs to be installed.
Dec 10 20:59:48 <Mellofone>	you want a webserver, it grabs all you need
Dec 10 21:00:08 <Paladin>	But you are familiar with Linux, so you wouldnt need the hand-holding of tasksel
Dec 10 21:00:22 <Paladin>	Just do a base system and then apt-get the other stuff you need.
Dec 10 21:00:44 <linc>	last time I installed debian (last year) I did the install, hit tasksel, selected desktop stuff and it hit a root prompt and did nothing.
Dec 10 21:01:00 <linc>	No X, no apt-getting stuff, just sat there
Dec 10 21:01:38 <linc>	now slackware, i pop in the cd, pick default install (everything) and walk away.  come back to a complete linux system.
Dec 10 21:02:05 <Mellofone>	so you want easy then
Dec 10 21:02:11 <Mellofone>	use SuSE or RedHat
Dec 10 21:02:18 <linc>	no I want installable.
Dec 10 21:02:25 <Mellofone>	come on :)
Dec 10 21:02:54 <linc>	does debian have sys v or bsd style init scripts?
Dec 10 21:03:23 <Paladin>	I dunno, I had Debian up and running with Sawfish in no time at all.... on some basic hardware and a 3Dfx Voodoo card.  Ran nicely.  Only had the stuff I wanted installed.  And it was cake to maintain with just an apt-get upgrade once in a while.
Dec 10 21:03:25 <Mellofone>	depends on the package
Dec 10 21:03:52 <Paladin>	Hooray!  TLLTS is here!
Dec 10 21:04:03 <linc>	slack has bsd style and Its my preference
Dec 10 21:04:05 <Paladin>	A solo show tonight?!
Dec 10 21:04:06 <linc>	Thanks Dann
Dec 10 21:04:41 <Mellofone>	:)
Dec 10 21:04:45 <linc>	it's gotta be bad for Ozzy with broken ribs - the way he shakes :-)
Dec 10 21:04:50 <dann>	you are welcome.
Dec 10 21:05:05 <dann>	At least I do not think there was any head trauma
Dec 10 21:05:19 <Mellofone>	Use Gentoo then :)
Dec 10 21:05:29 <Paladin>	At Wexham Park Hospital in Slough, a town west of London, 55-year-old Osbourne was recovering in intensive care, according to the metal legend's spokespeople. A ventilator, which doctors had hoped to remove Wednesday (December 10), had been assisting Osbourne with his breathing.
Dec 10 21:05:36 <linc>	gentoo takes too long
Dec 10 21:05:43 <Mellofone>	bah
Dec 10 21:05:48 <Mellofone>	that's a poor excuse :)
Dec 10 21:05:49 <Paladin>	Yeah, I must admit Debian doesn't make the best desktop system.
Dec 10 21:06:03 <Paladin>	My feeling has been this: Desktop == Gentoo, Server == Debian
Dec 10 21:06:06 <linc>	I would like to try some debian installs though..  need a good tutorial - Mellophone?
Dec 10 21:06:10 <Mellofone>	Good things come to those who wait
Dec 10 21:06:22 <Mellofone>	I have an idea
Dec 10 21:06:28 <Mellofone>	you have a problem, you email me :)
Dec 10 21:06:35 <linc>	Slackware = desktop, Slackware = server
Dec 10 21:07:37 <linc>	I couldn't wait for an email Mel, I am way too impatient for that :-)
Dec 10 21:07:56 <Mellofone>	ok
Dec 10 21:08:06 <Mellofone>	how about an irc channel, I am on irc all day
Dec 10 21:08:16 <linc>	where abouts?
Dec 10 21:08:24 <linc>	Hey I AM HERE!
Dec 10 21:08:47 <Mellofone>	pick a server, I can be there
Dec 10 21:09:22 <linc>	thelinuxlink.net man!
Dec 10 21:09:34 <Paladin>	http://www.thelinuxlink.net/rwxrwSrwT/
Dec 10 21:09:37 <Mellofone>	same channel?
Dec 10 21:09:42 <linc>	why not
Dec 10 21:09:51 <Mellofone>	I have my own if you want :)
Dec 10 21:10:02 <Paladin>	Cool, thanks for the box guys!!
Dec 10 21:10:08 <linc>	thatd workas well
Dec 10 21:10:18 <Paladin>	I'll get a chance to give Slackware a try....  it's been YEARS since I've tried it.
Dec 10 21:10:35 <linc>	Pal, it's way better then it used to be years ago..
Dec 10 21:11:12 <Paladin>	But it doesn't have full dependency checking for it's packaging system.
Dec 10 21:11:30 <Paladin>	I should be able to type <pkg command> fluxbox, and it should install everything necessary
Dec 10 21:11:45 <linc>	dont need it..  Most dependancies are covered in the actual packages
Dec 10 21:11:53 <Paladin>	"emerge" can do that "apt" can do that. 
Dec 10 21:12:08 <linc>	there is an aptget thing for slack now
Dec 10 21:12:16 <Paladin>	There's one for Debian too :)
Dec 10 21:12:18 <linc>	slapt-get or something like that
Dec 10 21:12:34 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 10 21:12:41 <Mellofone>	ported apt-get :)
Dec 10 21:12:44 <linc>	I actually prefer the installpkg system slack has now.
Dec 10 21:13:07 <linc>	bout the same as NetBSD which is another of my personal favorites
Dec 10 21:14:00 <linc>	stacked up my butt-  they are on his floor :-)
Dec 10 21:16:57 <linc>	hahaha!  Q-mart=den of inbreeding! :-)
Dec 10 21:16:59 <Mellofone>	Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart.
Dec 10 21:18:43 <linc>	scared her didn't ya dann?
Dec 10 21:18:56 <Paladin>	She ran away?!!?
Dec 10 21:19:16 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 10 21:21:05 <linc>	Hey Dann, speaking of publishers how bout SSC -vs- linuxgazette.net??
Dec 10 21:21:40 <Paladin>	BTW, the stream is _perfect_ tonight.  Sounds great.
Dec 10 21:22:00 <Paladin>	http://www.conan.com/
Dec 10 21:22:19 <Mellofone>	yeah
Dec 10 21:22:28 <Mellofone>	cuz everyone turned it off :)
Dec 10 21:22:45 <Paladin>	Conan the TV series: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0129673/
Dec 10 21:23:09 <Paladin>	Danny Woodburn ....  Otli 
Dec 10 21:23:17 <linc>	sounds really good from here too!
Dec 10 21:23:38 <Paladin>	 
Dec 10 21:23:38 <Paladin>	T.J. Storm 
Dec 10 21:23:38 <Paladin>	 
Dec 10 21:23:40 <Paladin>	played Bayu
Dec 10 21:24:07 <Mellofone>	heh
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Dec 10 21:24:52 <Mellofone>	Hi Allan!
Dec 10 21:24:54 <Mellofone>	err
Dec 10 21:25:00 <Mellofone>	he left :)
Dec 10 21:25:01 <linc>	too late :-)
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Dec 10 21:25:15 <linc>	Talk about a cameo appearance!
Dec 10 21:25:21 <linc>	Hey it's ALLAN!
Dec 10 21:25:32 <Allan>	Hello everyone Better lte then never!
Dec 10 21:25:38 <Paladin>	Conan the Barbarian: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0082198/
Dec 10 21:26:14 <Paladin>	Conan the Destroyer: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0087078/
Dec 10 21:26:25 <Paladin>	James Earl Jones ....  Thulsa Doom 
Dec 10 21:26:42 <Mellofone>	great flick
Dec 10 21:27:49 <Paladin>	Brigitte Nielsen ....  Red Sonja 
Dec 10 21:27:59 <Paladin>	Red Sonja (1985): http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0089893/
Dec 10 21:29:30 <linc>	OK Mellophone..  Debian for sparc - which release am I looking for?
Dec 10 21:29:38 <linc>	I see a 3.0 r2?
Dec 10 21:29:43 <Mellofone>	yeah
Dec 10 21:29:47 <Mellofone>	that's "stable"
Dec 10 21:29:54 <Mellofone>	and it is exactly that
Dec 10 21:30:00 <linc>	your preference?  Stable or Current?
Dec 10 21:30:06 <Paladin>	Upcoming Conan movie....  King Conan: Crown of Iron ... http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808503058&intl=us
Dec 10 21:30:12 <Mellofone>	depends on want you want
Dec 10 21:30:21 <Paladin>	Blah, he wants "testing"
Dec 10 21:30:22 <Mellofone>	near bug free, or newer packages
Dec 10 21:30:33 <linc>	my sparc 20 runs inranet web and mail
Dec 10 21:31:06 <Allan>	Go for stable.
Dec 10 21:31:08 <Paladin>	Debian stable, IMHO, is for production level stuff... it's 110% stable.  You don't need that.  Go with "testing" or "unstable" and enjoy the newer packages.
Dec 10 21:31:09 <linc>	needs to run apache, some desktop stuff and imap4
Dec 10 21:31:21 <Paladin>	I ran unstable for a long time, and it was rock solid for exim, apache, etc.
Dec 10 21:31:43 <Mellofone>	I use stable at work, testing at home
Dec 10 21:31:47 <linc>	q2 - there are 6 binary iso's..  what do I need
Dec 10 21:32:34 <Paladin>	The Whole Wide World (1996): http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0118163/
Dec 10 21:32:45 <Paladin>	In Texas in the 1930s, young schoolteacher Novalyne Price meets a handsome, eccentric, interesting young man named Robert Howard. He's a successful writer - of the pulp stories of 'Conan the Barbarian'; she's an aspiring one. A friendship develops into a sort of courtship. Based on a memoir by Novalyne Price.
Dec 10 21:33:54 <linc>	Commie 64!  I still have like 4 of them :-)
Dec 10 21:34:21 <Mellofone>	they have a Windows version of Bruce Lee
Dec 10 21:34:23 <Paladin>	Conan: The Cimmerian, by Vigin Interactive.... 1991 for DOS
Dec 10 21:34:24 <Mellofone>	and that game RULES
Dec 10 21:34:38 <Paladin>	Conan: Hall of Volta by Datasoft... 1984 for Apple II
Dec 10 21:35:30 <Mellofone>	linc: sorry, I missed your question. Which iso's are you looking at?
Dec 10 21:35:45 <linc>	there are 6.. what to get?
Dec 10 21:36:05 <linc>	 debian-30r2-sparc-binary-1.iso       06-Dec-2003 08:02   583M  
Dec 10 21:36:05 <linc>	 debian-30r2-sparc-binary-1_NONUS.iso 06-Dec-2003 08:06   647M  
Dec 10 21:36:05 <linc>	 debian-30r2-sparc-binary-2.iso       06-Dec-2003 08:12   643M  
Dec 10 21:36:05 <linc>	 debian-30r2-sparc-binary-3.iso       06-Dec-2003 08:19   643M  
Dec 10 21:36:05 <linc>	 debian-30r2-sparc-binary-4.iso       06-Dec-2003 08:24   633M  
Dec 10 21:36:05 <linc>	 debian-30r2-sparc-binary-5.iso       06-Dec-2003 08:29   638M  
Dec 10 21:36:05 <linc>	 debian-30r2-sparc-binary-6.iso       06-Dec-2003 08:33   398M  
Dec 10 21:36:05 <Mellofone>	you have a link that shows what you are looking at?
Dec 10 21:36:10 <Allan>	Diet soda sucks!
Dec 10 21:36:13 <Mellofone>	ok
Dec 10 21:36:16 <linc>	http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian-cdimage/images/3.0_r2/sparc/
Dec 10 21:36:19 <Mellofone>	get the first
Dec 10 21:36:35 <linc>	can I install debian over ftp?
Dec 10 21:36:37 <Mellofone>	and when it asks where you want to install from, chose http/ftp
Dec 10 21:37:13 <Paladin>	bbiab
Dec 10 21:38:50 <Mellofone>	all of the other iso's have the packages on them
Dec 10 21:39:13 <Mellofone>	if you want help at "almost anytime" join irc: daubnet.dyndns.org
Dec 10 21:39:19 <Mellofone>	channel #debian
Dec 10 21:40:53 <Mellofone>	make that #linux
Dec 10 21:41:06 <Mellofone>	why restrict it :)
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Dec 10 21:42:19 <Mellofone>	damned Verizon
Dec 10 21:42:33 <Paladin>	Heheh
Dec 10 21:42:36 <linc>	hey I have verizon and never lose my connection..
Dec 10 21:42:44 <linc>	you on dsl or dialup?
Dec 10 21:42:48 <Mellofone>	it happens randomly here
Dec 10 21:42:50 <Mellofone>	DSL
Dec 10 21:43:19 <linc>	I am on dsl as well.. just fine here.  You using Linux as your gateway or windows?
Dec 10 21:43:22 <Paladin>	Girls of Gaming special edition: http://www.popcultureshock.com/play/gog.php
Dec 10 21:43:28 <Mellofone>	please :)
Dec 10 21:43:32 <Mellofone>	I use Linux :)
Dec 10 21:43:38 <linc>	Hey, I gotta ask - ya never know!
Dec 10 21:43:41 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 10 21:43:42 <Paladin>	I use firmware. :)
Dec 10 21:43:44 <Mellofone>	hehehehe
Dec 10 21:44:01 <Allan>	Simpsons ! I wnat that one!
Dec 10 21:44:03 <linc>	Do you have problems with dirty power there Mel?
Dec 10 21:44:12 <Paladin>	Heheh
Dec 10 21:44:21 <Mellofone>	not really. I finally got a UPS for all my systems
Dec 10 21:44:32 <linc>	your dsl modem is on your ups as well?
Dec 10 21:44:43 <Mellofone>	yu[
Dec 10 21:44:47 <Mellofone>	err yup
Dec 10 21:45:04 <linc>	ok, that's the very first thing I tell people with connection prbs..
Dec 10 21:45:07 <Paladin>	Same here, DSL modem, wireless firewall/router, switch, server, etc... all on UPS
Dec 10 21:45:26 <Paladin>	Which is cool, because the town can go black, and I'm still on IRC. :)
Dec 10 21:45:27 <Mellofone>	the actual phone lines here are crappy too, I can hear static in them from time to time
Dec 10 21:45:30 <Mellofone>	heeheh
Dec 10 21:45:52 <linc>	another thing I see often is windows clients that hang for some mysterious reason.
Dec 10 21:46:04 <Mellofone>	not here :)
Dec 10 21:46:04 <linc>	Linux just hangs on forever..
Dec 10 21:46:30 <Mellofone>	got a K6-233 running linux as a gateway
Dec 10 21:46:49 <Paladin>	Nintendo Power Magazine rules!
Dec 10 21:46:54 <Paladin>	heh, I miss reading that.
Dec 10 21:46:58 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 10 21:47:04 <Paladin>	Every game gets a 100% "best game ever" review.
Dec 10 21:47:28 <Mellofone>	hehe
Dec 10 21:47:43 <Paladin>	Cluster World Magazine: http://www.clusterworld.com/
Dec 10 21:48:31 <Mellofone>	Xbox cluster! :)
Dec 10 21:49:21 <Paladin>	Cluster World free 3-mo. trial and contest: http://www.clusterworld.com/index.php?page=contest
Dec 10 21:54:16 ---	Paladin gives channel operator status to Mellofone
Dec 10 21:54:20 <Paladin>	;)
Dec 10 21:57:12 <Paladin>	Borders rules.
Dec 10 21:57:29 <Mellofone>	NOO
Dec 10 21:57:31 <Mellofone>	CLIU!
Dec 10 21:57:33 <Mellofone>	:)
Dec 10 21:57:56 <Paladin>	CPU Magazine: http://www.computerpoweruser.com/
Dec 10 21:58:15 *	Mellofone laughs.
Dec 10 21:58:16 <Mellofone>	Apple.
Dec 10 21:58:23 <Mellofone>	Give me a break :)
Dec 10 21:58:25 <Paladin>	PC Gamer is the only magazine you need http://www.pcgamer.com/
Dec 10 21:59:01 <Paladin>	LCTI = Lehigh Career Technical Institute
Dec 10 22:00:27 <Mellofone>	Woa
Dec 10 22:00:31 <Mellofone>	the IU hasn
Dec 10 22:00:34 <Mellofone>	err
Dec 10 22:00:42 <linc>	ok mello, where do I find boot disk image for debian sparc stable?
Dec 10 22:00:46 <Mellofone>	the IU hasn't switched to Postfix?
Dec 10 22:01:13 <Mellofone>	the first CD should give you all you need to boot
Dec 10 22:01:43 <linc>	no cd on this sparc - would have to pull it from my rack to hook one up.  Floppy works though
Dec 10 22:02:04 <Mellofone>	Oh
Dec 10 22:02:08 <Mellofone>	sorry :)
Dec 10 22:02:10 <linc>	should be able to boot from floppy and net install right?
Dec 10 22:02:21 <Mellofone>	there are boot floppies
Dec 10 22:03:09 <linc>	NETBSD!
Dec 10 22:03:21 <Mellofone>	bah :)
Dec 10 22:04:25 <linc>	netbsd rules - almost as good as slack.  sometimes even better
Dec 10 22:04:53 <Mellofone>	well if you compare it to slack, I won't use it :P 
Dec 10 22:05:26 <linc>	youll be missing out
Dec 10 22:05:32 <Mellofone>	why?
Dec 10 22:05:46 <Mellofone>	name 2 serious advantages, and I will try it :)
Dec 10 22:06:04 <linc>	nice system..  very secure, quite small footprint, extremely customizable
Dec 10 22:06:24 <Allan>	I think his name was Marty
Dec 10 22:06:31 <Mellofone>	debian and gentoo has all of that :)
Dec 10 22:07:07 <linc>	netbsd had it first.  netbsd also has better package management
Dec 10 22:07:10 <Allan>	Good Job Dann
Dec 10 22:07:16 <Mellofone>	how do you figure!?
Dec 10 22:07:17 <linc>	great job dann
Dec 10 22:07:38 <Mellofone>	thanks for the show Dann
Dec 10 22:08:26 <linc>	mello, you *need* to check out BSD's package system if you like gentoo ro debian..
Dec 10 22:08:33 <Mellofone>	ports?
Dec 10 22:08:49 <linc>	depends on the distribution
Dec 10 22:09:01 <dann>	thanks for listening.  
Dec 10 22:09:07 <Mellofone>	gentoo borrowed ports :)
Dec 10 22:09:23 <Mellofone>	and improved on it
Dec 10 22:09:39 <linc>	it was workin just fine before gentoo got it
Dec 10 22:09:50 <Mellofone>	but it added a ton of features!
Dec 10 22:10:06 <Mellofone>	ports + gentoo = portage
Dec 10 22:10:09 <dann>	I actually recorded it properly tonight!
Dec 10 22:10:11 <linc>	like what?  bulky gui?
Dec 10 22:10:20 <Mellofone>	never!
Dec 10 22:10:24 <Mellofone>	it added USE
Dec 10 22:10:29 <linc>	awsome show dann - sorry to leave you hangin like that..
Dec 10 22:10:46 <Mellofone>	USE is a feature that allows you to add common flags at compile time
Dec 10 22:10:55 <Mellofone>	so, if you have USE="kde"
Dec 10 22:11:28 <Mellofone>	it will compile packages and add their KDE compile time options
Dec 10 22:11:51 <Allan>	Sorry I couldn't make tonight guys
Dec 10 22:14:02 <dann>	I want to install debian too!  Someone give me a computer.
Dec 10 22:14:09 <dann>	I gave all mine away already.
Dec 10 22:14:20 <dann>	dammit!