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Dec 17 20:18:50 <linc>	hello
Dec 17 20:22:23 -->	Allan (~Allan@192.168.0.189) has joined #techshow
Dec 17 20:32:38 <dann>	allan, are you catching tonight?
Dec 17 20:37:52 <linc>	allan says <gulp>
Dec 17 20:57:41 <dann>	we are packing it in tonight
Dec 17 21:01:37 -->	linc_ (~linc@pool-151-197-242-237.phil.east.verizon.net) has joined #techshow
Dec 17 21:01:48 ---	linc_ is now known as michele
Dec 17 21:01:58 <linc>	Wow!  It's Michele!
Dec 17 21:02:19 <michele>	i accidentally went on the linux show's chat 
Dec 17 21:02:30 <linc>	Hey baby, what's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?
Dec 17 21:02:41 <michele>	beats me
Dec 17 21:02:45 -->	Mellofone (~mellofone@pool-141-158-230-142.phil.east.verizon.net) has joined #techshow
Dec 17 21:02:59 <linc>	Hey Mellophone is here
Dec 17 21:03:03 <Mellofone>	whew, just made it :)
Dec 17 21:03:05 <Allan>	Hello
Dec 17 21:03:14 <linc>	you didnt miss anything :-)
Dec 17 21:03:19 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 17 21:03:20 <Mellofone>	ok :)
Dec 17 21:04:23 <michele>	here we go folks
Dec 17 21:05:29 <Mellofone>	STOP YELLING! :)
Dec 17 21:06:09 <michele>	who's yelling i'm only hearing intro
Dec 17 21:06:24 <michele>	ouch now i know what you mean
Dec 17 21:06:32 <linc>	ok guys we got it fixed..  dann playing with the equipt again :-)
Dec 17 21:06:35 <dann>	sorry about that.  The kids were messing with the master volume.
Dec 17 21:06:47 <Mellofone>	hehe
Dec 17 21:06:51 <Mellofone>	np.
Dec 17 21:06:52 <Allan>	blame it on the kids
Dec 17 21:06:54 <michele>	much better now i lost the connectin
Dec 17 21:07:34 <michele>	okay i'm back
Dec 17 21:08:15 <michele>	hey, what happened to linc's ad
Dec 17 21:08:55 <linc>	it's not running?
Dec 17 21:09:01 <Mellofone>	I heard them both
Dec 17 21:09:12 <michele>	i am hearing dan speak about linux and stuff
Dec 17 21:09:28 <michele>	yes sounds better
Dec 17 21:09:53 <Mellofone>	volume is better now :)
Dec 17 21:10:31 <Mellofone>	nothing I Can hear
Dec 17 21:10:37 <michele>	i dont think so
Dec 17 21:11:03 <michele>	yeahhhhh
Dec 17 21:11:12 <michele>	yeahhhhh for allan
Dec 17 21:11:18 *	Mellofone cheers!
Dec 17 21:11:19 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 17 21:13:03 <michele>	boooooo
Dec 17 21:13:48 <Mellofone>	:)
Dec 17 21:13:59 <Mellofone>	he's watching LOTR :)
Dec 17 21:14:58 <Mellofone>	IIS?!?! :)
Dec 17 21:15:45 <Mellofone>	or cheap :)
Dec 17 21:17:16 <Mellofone>	Jeese, Apple too?!? :)
Dec 17 21:17:33 <Mellofone>	MySQL rules....
Dec 17 21:18:42 <Mellofone>	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0672323494
Dec 17 21:18:56 <Mellofone>	GREAT Sams "Teach Yourself MySQL in 24 Hours"
Dec 17 21:18:58 <Mellofone>	GREAT book
Dec 17 21:19:09 <michele>	dan sounds real loud compared to linc
Dec 17 21:19:29 <michele>	i have to turn the volume up and down when both talk
Dec 17 21:22:10 <Mellofone>	what are the advantages of using freesco over iptables?
Dec 17 21:23:14 <Mellofone>	I just wondered
Dec 17 21:23:18 <Mellofone>	I ususally use ipcop
Dec 17 21:23:47 <Mellofone>	Linux 2.0.38 + IP masquerad
Dec 17 21:23:49 <Mellofone>	ahh
Dec 17 21:25:37 <Mellofone>	oh here we go, here comes the Deb-Ian bashing :)
Dec 17 21:25:50 <dann>	I have a few mysql books, but maybe I will check that book out since I will probably need to get the basics down.
Dec 17 21:25:54 <Allan>	duck everyone!
Dec 17 21:26:02 <Mellofone>	well just because you can't figure it out, that's your problem :)
Dec 17 21:26:09 <dann>	ipcop, is that a floppy based distro?
Dec 17 21:26:30 <Mellofone>	no
Dec 17 21:26:37 <Mellofone>	it installs to a harddrive
Dec 17 21:27:30 <dann>	seems like a small distro.  I will have to check it out.
Dec 17 21:28:17 <Mellofone>	you sparc people ;)
Dec 17 21:28:26 <Mellofone>	actually, the best thing to use is a netinstall CD
Dec 17 21:28:41 <Mellofone>	for x86 and/or PPC anyway
Dec 17 21:29:20 <Mellofone>	oh come on, fdisk is all you ever need :)
Dec 17 21:29:33 <Mellofone>	p
Dec 17 21:29:43 <Mellofone>	p for print :)
Dec 17 21:30:17 <dann>	you could go out and spend some $40 on partition magic and that will do it for you with a gui screen!
Dec 17 21:30:34 <Mellofone>	bahhh. you guys and your gui's :)
Dec 17 21:30:35 <dann>	that way you could then resize your windows partition for your debian install.
Dec 17 21:31:13 <Mellofone>	I would suggest skipping tasksel and dselect
Dec 17 21:32:12 <Mellofone>	and ssh is not installed by default
Dec 17 21:33:38 <Mellofone>	hmmm
Dec 17 21:34:01 <Mellofone>	let me check into that. A friend of mine just installed debian via a sparc-console
Dec 17 21:34:53 <michele>	who's gonna have to haul that 100lb monitor around?????
Dec 17 21:34:59 <Mellofone>	yeah yeah x86 :)
Dec 17 21:35:24 <michele>	i thought linc said him but i must be mistaken because it's usually me lugging his crap around
Dec 17 21:35:43 <Mellofone>	:)
Dec 17 21:36:05 <Mellofone>	yeah, first one is usually all you need
Dec 17 21:36:12 <linc>	you volunteering to lug one of those 100lb monitors form the basement?
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Dec 17 21:36:23 <Mellofone>	you can even fit a netinstall CD from a mini-cdr
Dec 17 21:36:32 <moondog>	Hello all
Dec 17 21:36:37 <dann>	why are you not at lotr with everyone else moondog?
Dec 17 21:37:03 <michele>	i'm not volunteering but it's usually me carrying that stuff because i dont want it where i can see it
Dec 17 21:37:04 <moondog>	I have to work nights:( or lese I would be
Dec 17 21:37:14 <dann>	oh yeah, that is right.  Sorry about that.
Dec 17 21:38:26 <dann>	emacs, linc's preferred editor.
Dec 17 21:38:53 <moondog>	PICO????
Dec 17 21:38:55 <Mellofone>	heheeh
Dec 17 21:39:02 <Mellofone>	use vim and be happy :)
Dec 17 21:39:15 <linc>	vim=good
Dec 17 21:39:56 <Mellofone>	You like Knoppix? Then you need KnoppMyth:
Dec 17 21:39:56 <Mellofone>	http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
Dec 17 21:43:53 <Mellofone>	Lexar JumpDrives work great with Linux
Dec 17 21:43:55 <Mellofone>	http://www.lexarmedia.com/jumpdrive/index.html
Dec 17 21:44:14 <Allan>	I'll have to try it
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Dec 17 21:49:06 <dann>	no moondog, come back my furry friend, come back!
Dec 17 21:49:19 <dann>	hey, who let the dog out :-)
Dec 17 21:50:30 <dann>	hey linc, is the second one under the open music license?  I hear the riaa cracking into to server.
Dec 17 21:50:57 <linc>	nope - the guy posts it for free download on his website..
Dec 17 21:51:27 <linc>	As long as we're not making any money on them I doubt the riaa will come a knocking.
Dec 17 21:53:13 <Mellofone>	I just talked to my debian sparc friend and he said he had no problems with the serial console install.
Dec 17 21:53:22 <Mellofone>	just did it to two more servers today..
Dec 17 21:53:31 <dann>	aaaahhhh burn, linc!
Dec 17 21:53:57 <linc>	he a f'n liar then
Dec 17 21:54:02 <Mellofone>	the only difference was that he used a remote boot install, not floppies
Dec 17 21:54:10 <linc>	a HA!
Dec 17 21:54:31 <Mellofone>	hell, I can't help you there, I don't even OWN a floppy drive :)
Dec 17 21:54:53 <linc>	So it's the installer on the floppies then - something is setting the ttyS's to insecure and they wont let me in!
Dec 17 21:55:22 <linc>	I might just have to slap a cd on the machine and see what happens with the install then..
Dec 17 21:55:29 <Mellofone>	hmmm
Dec 17 21:55:34 <Mellofone>	or just remote boot it
Dec 17 21:55:38 <Mellofone>	he said that works like a champ
Dec 17 21:55:58 <linc>	remote install, or remote boot?
Dec 17 21:56:06 <Mellofone>	both
Dec 17 21:56:14 <Mellofone>	remote boot, then install
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Dec 17 21:56:49 <linc>	in order to do that you need to run tftp and all kinds of other crap though.  Why wouldn't debian provide for a normal media install?
Dec 17 21:57:17 <Mellofone>	I'm not sure, I never used the Sparc
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Dec 17 21:57:35 <linc>	you should stop by sometime - ill give ya a tour.
Dec 17 22:02:20 <Mellofone>	I Can't hear linc
Dec 17 22:02:46 <linc>	itll be better now :-)
Dec 17 22:02:59 <michele>	meowwwww
Dec 17 22:03:01 <Allan>	He turned his mike back on!
Dec 17 22:03:05 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 17 22:03:06 <linc>	:-)
Dec 17 22:03:13 <michele>	cat fight cat fight
Dec 17 22:03:22 <Mellofone>	you jerks, now I'm thirsty for Orange Juice! :)
Dec 17 22:03:41 <michele>	hahahaha
Dec 17 22:03:44 <linc>	me too - and some vodka and some peach shnops.
Dec 17 22:04:03 <Mellofone>	don't mix OJ with booze, what a waste
Dec 17 22:04:11 <Mellofone>	drink a martini and cut out the juice :)
Dec 17 22:04:22 <Allan>	Yea!
Dec 17 22:04:27 <linc>	gibson - olives=yuck
Dec 17 22:06:38 <Mellofone>	compression is way to hard to "prove"
Dec 17 22:07:48 <Mellofone>	how much could it really save?
Dec 17 22:07:55 <Mellofone>	it's still a friggin dial-up :)
Dec 17 22:08:24 <dann>	propels site has a chart listing, in some cases, almost a minute saved per page.
Dec 17 22:09:09 <Mellofone>	so is it the "compression" that saves it, or is it that it's just that the ISP "server" is closer
Dec 17 22:10:34 <linc>	I think it's the cache on a fatter pipe..  Quicker access..
Dec 17 22:10:55 <Mellofone>	yeah..
Dec 17 22:11:47 <Mellofone>	ugh, here we go with the Macs again :)
Dec 17 22:12:25 <linc>	mac=good
Dec 17 22:13:03 <Mellofone>	I own a mac, but mac OS.... ugh
Dec 17 22:13:25 <Mellofone>	Mac and Windows are both doing the same thing with their OS's:
Dec 17 22:13:28 <Mellofone>	Dumbing it down....
Dec 17 22:13:35 <linc>	i like it - mostly..  9+ is ok, but tell ya what, Yellowdog is *MUCH* better :-)
Dec 17 22:14:31 <Mellofone>	I actually own a mac :)
Dec 17 22:14:36 <Mellofone>	runs my server at home
Dec 17 22:14:48 <linc>	I have a few myself - old though.
Dec 17 22:15:08 <Allan>	Bring back the se/30!
Dec 17 22:15:12 <linc>	:-)
Dec 17 22:15:18 <Mellofone>	I have a 400Mhz G4
Dec 17 22:15:26 <Mellofone>	running Debian of cource :)
Dec 17 22:15:30 <linc>	wanna trade?
Dec 17 22:15:30 <Mellofone>	serr course
Dec 17 22:16:03 <Allan>	3400 powerbook running debian
Dec 17 22:16:19 <Allan>	7200/120 running debian
Dec 17 22:16:44 <Mellofone>	see! Allan likes Debian!! :)
Dec 17 22:16:44 <linc>	8500, 9600, and a few older ones
Dec 17 22:18:12 <Mellofone>	our tech department is 100% linux
Dec 17 22:18:21 <Mellofone>	of course, there is only two of us :)
Dec 17 22:18:21 <linc>	how many people?
Dec 17 22:18:26 <linc>	Ahhh :-)
Dec 17 22:18:39 <Mellofone>	I had to nearly choke my assistant into using it :)
Dec 17 22:18:45 <Mellofone>	but now he likes it...
Dec 17 22:19:03 <linc>	hahaha, I had the same happen, now that particular developer wouldn't work without it :-)
Dec 17 22:20:27 <Mellofone>	our windows mail server was up for 260 days once :)
Dec 17 22:20:36 <Mellofone>	but that doesn't run Exchange :)
Dec 17 22:22:46 <Mellofone>	hey guys, thanks for the show!
Dec 17 22:23:00 <linc>	thanks for listening MF
Dec 17 22:23:19 <michele>	happy holiday to all and to all a good night
Dec 17 22:23:22 <Allan>	happy holidays to all
Dec 17 22:23:29 <Mellofone>	thanks guys.. You too.
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Dec 17 22:24:34 <Mellofone>	cya in two weeks :)
Dec 17 22:24:37 <dann>	where did everyone go?
Dec 17 22:24:42 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 17 22:24:43 <dann>	happy holidays Mellofone.
Dec 17 22:24:47 <Mellofone>	they hit the road :)
Dec 17 22:25:07 <dann>	but not you linc.  No not you.  You just wait until Debian Claus comes down your chimney
Dec 17 22:25:11 <linc>	Cya all and Merry Christmas!
Dec 17 22:25:18 <dann>	You'll be getting a broken dongle in your stocking.
Dec 17 22:25:31 <Mellofone>	heh
Dec 17 22:25:37 <linc>	Debian Clause - ho ho holy crap what a paing in my rump.
Dec 17 22:25:40 <dann>	that and some gnu coal chunks.
Dec 17 22:25:53 <Mellofone>	cya guys. and linc, if you have any troubles, login to irc and I will be around :)
Dec 17 22:25:56 <dann>	Open source mining.
Dec 17 22:26:03 <linc>	time to pack it in guys - cya!
Dec 17 22:26:14 <dann>	Is allan all greased up?
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