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Jan 07 20:16:20 -->	You are now talking on #techshow
Jan 07 20:16:26 <linc>	Hey there Pal!
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Jan 07 20:35:02 <dann>	             yeah we are packing it in tonight!
Jan 07 20:47:01 <linc>	man, we're beating them off with a stick...
Jan 07 20:56:01 -->	Mellofone (~mellofone@141.158.230.142) has joined #techshow
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Jan 07 20:56:17 <Mellofone>	Hello :)
Jan 07 20:56:24 <Paladin>	Howdy
Jan 07 20:56:46 <Mellofone>	took me forever to get on the channel this evening
Jan 07 20:56:54 <linc>	really?
Jan 07 20:56:55 <Paladin>	I had no problem.
Jan 07 20:57:03 <Mellofone>	yeah, no idea why
Jan 07 20:57:14 <Mellofone>	must be slackware :)
Jan 07 20:57:23 <Mellofone>	how did the holiday treat you guys?
Jan 07 20:57:24 <linc>	bite your tongue :-)
Jan 07 20:57:35 <linc>	good -n u?
Jan 07 20:57:37 <Paladin>	Santa bring any good toys?
Jan 07 20:57:40 <allan>	Hello All
Jan 07 20:57:45 <Paladin>	Hey
Jan 07 20:57:51 <Mellofone>	same old same old. Was sick for most of it :)
Jan 07 20:57:55 <Paladin>	Ditto.
Jan 07 20:58:27 <allan>	Know the feeling. I was sick last week.
Jan 07 20:59:14 <Paladin>	When does the show start?
Jan 07 20:59:34 <linc>	1 min
Jan 07 21:02:41 <Paladin>	Cool.      (I'll be in and out of the room here tonight, so I might not respond too quickly. sorry)
Jan 07 21:02:55 <allan>	No prob
Jan 07 21:03:42 <Paladin>	Happy New year!!!
Jan 07 21:04:47 <dann>	allan will be catching tonight
Jan 07 21:04:54 <dann>	I mean all will be playing catchup tonight
Jan 07 21:05:10 <Mellofone>	he
Jan 07 21:05:10 <Mellofone>	h
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Jan 07 21:06:59 <dann>	yeah, promo.   Time to take a nap.
Jan 07 21:07:00 ---	linc_ is now known as michele
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Jan 07 21:07:28 <Paladin>	Stream is nice and steady tonight.
Jan 07 21:07:31 *	Paladin knocks on wood.
Jan 07 21:07:44 <Mellofone>	thats because I'm not listening :)
Jan 07 21:07:45 <dann>	that is because allan is rubbing the network cables to keep them warm.
Jan 07 21:07:55 <Paladin>	Hehe.
Jan 07 21:09:49 <KohlFusio>	my name got truncated, it should be KohlFusion  
Jan 07 21:10:50 <linc>	Hi anyways KohlFusion
Jan 07 21:10:59 <KohlFusio>	hyya linc
Jan 07 21:11:10 <Paladin>	http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/moodyblues100/index.html
Jan 07 21:11:18 <Paladin>	There's the URL for the Computer Talk Audio Links
Jan 07 21:11:51 <KohlFusio>	http://thelinuxlink.net:8000 is coming in very clear 
Jan 07 21:12:07 <dann>	what kind of connection are you using?
Jan 07 21:12:20 <KohlFusio>	DSL 
Jan 07 21:12:26 <dann>	from verizon?
Jan 07 21:12:34 <KohlFusio>	BellSouth 
Jan 07 21:12:41 <Paladin>	I'm on Verizon ADSL (768/128)
Jan 07 21:13:00 <dann>	bellsouth, that's right.  Sould have said that but I was not aware that bellsouth had dsl.  So I fired a blank with verizon.
Jan 07 21:13:14 <KohlFusio>	BellSouth just upgraded the streams but I don't know what they are off the top of my head 
Jan 07 21:13:16 <Paladin>	Debian, what's wrong with Debian!?!?!??!   (heh)
Jan 07 21:13:17 <dann>	Weren't bell and verizon in some way connected back down the road?
Jan 07 21:13:19 <Paladin>	There ya go. )
Jan 07 21:13:51 <KohlFusio>	I don't think so 
Jan 07 21:14:21 <Paladin>	"Debian is pronounced 'deb ee n'. It comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. "
Jan 07 21:14:27 <Paladin>	http://www.debian.org/intro/about
Jan 07 21:14:38 <dann>	I thought they were, both part of some other company that split off becoming bell-something and another thing that eventually rolled into verizon.
Jan 07 21:15:04 <dann>	i will procrastinate a bit here... until.... paladin... posts a link
Jan 07 21:15:08 <Paladin>	Mine used to be GTE.  GTE + BellSouth = Verizon
Jan 07 21:19:07 <Mellofone>	too quiet :)
Jan 07 21:19:31 <KohlFusio>	Listening to the 386 story and wondering where I was then
Jan 07 21:19:53 <michele>	this was back in the very early 90's
Jan 07 21:20:07 <dann>	http://www.verizonpathetic.com At+T -> Baby Bells:  Bell Atlantic - > Verizon
Jan 07 21:20:41 <dann>	It would be interesing to see a tree of all the companies that sprang from AT+T.  
Jan 07 21:20:45 <KohlFusio>	that source I've thought, late 80's early 90's 
Jan 07 21:21:27 <michele>	linc was still using his commodore back then  
Jan 07 21:21:41 <michele>	we werent privileged to have a 386
Jan 07 21:22:47 <Mellofone>	Commadore 64 :)
Jan 07 21:22:52 <KohlFusio>	how much was a 386 when it first came out, about 1500 bucks?  
Jan 07 21:23:15 <michele>	you bet dont forget the amiga (?)
Jan 07 21:23:17 <Paladin>	Network install from a minimal CD: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
Jan 07 21:23:36 <Paladin>	Netinst is 80MB
Jan 07 21:25:24 <dann>	http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/index.html
Jan 07 21:25:41 <Paladin>	Mmmmm... archives.  So watch what you say. :)
Jan 07 21:26:16 <Paladin>	I don't think he's listening tonight.  He's just typing.
Jan 07 21:26:19 <michele>	thanks mellofone
Jan 07 21:26:37 <Mellofone>	NP
Jan 07 21:26:42 <Mellofone>	recording again :)
Jan 07 21:27:17 <KohlFusio>	anyone been to SourceForge lately, someone has ported all the great Atari Games  
Jan 07 21:27:54 <Paladin>	Go Australia!!! whooo hooo
Jan 07 21:28:02 <dann>	I did not see that.  I was grabbing a lot of games from freshmeat over the end of the break.  Found Yars revenge and a couple of other atari's.  Have to look again.
Jan 07 21:29:48 <michele>	quit making fun of accents, linc, yours isnt much better 
Jan 07 21:29:52 <KohlFusio>	correction: its a emulator not a port
Jan 07 21:30:11 <dann>	oh an atari emulator
Jan 07 21:30:19 <Paladin>	It would be illegal to redistribute the ROMs for Atari games without approval from Atari
Jan 07 21:31:05 <dann>	of course it would.  Now I understand that if you own the game you can access and download the rom.  That is the way it works for the MaME stuff.
Jan 07 21:31:19 <Paladin>	Yeah. Of course. :)
Jan 07 21:31:34 <michele>	geek
Jan 07 21:31:35 <KohlFusio>	hee... tramil (sp) turned the lights out on atari as he ran out (with my $800)
Jan 07 21:31:51 <dann>	I'll have to dig through my crap and find those cartridges so I can grap the ROMs
Jan 07 21:31:58 <Paladin>	My mom gave my dad the binary LED clock for xmas. Cool..
Jan 07 21:32:09 <KohlFusio>	in other words at open is going to be a digital rights management issue if someone burns the ROMs 
Jan 07 21:32:14 <Paladin>	Did you get the blue or the red?
Jan 07 21:32:21 <michele>	he got the red
Jan 07 21:32:34 <michele>	blue was out of stock
Jan 07 21:32:51 <dann>	I knew a guy who kept referring to cdrom's as roms.  I was over at his place doing some work and he was bragging about how he got this cool rom in the mail and I was thinking like what the hell, how did he get roms in the mail.
Jan 07 21:33:05 <Paladin>	Heh.
Jan 07 21:33:16 <dann>	Then he pulls out this generic, free isp disc or something.  That was the last day I spent doing work for him.
Jan 07 21:33:21 <Paladin>	I wish I got a light saber for Christmas!
Jan 07 21:33:35 <michele>	i got linc a cheesy light saber two yrs ago
Jan 07 21:33:40 <Paladin>	Gameboy Advance SP.... does that count? (It rules!)
Jan 07 21:33:52 <dann>	yes it does.  Do you have a gamecube?
Jan 07 21:33:53 <michele>	$30-$40 at walmart
Jan 07 21:34:01 <linc>	light sabre is cool though!
Jan 07 21:34:06 <Paladin>	No, just the GBA.
Jan 07 21:34:29 <Paladin>	We actually have two now, so we can play Mario Kart via the cable. Heh.
Jan 07 21:35:26 <Paladin>	The Xbox itself is a loss-leader but then they make money on the games.
Jan 07 21:35:38 <Paladin>	Like handing out free razors....    and then sell the blades.
Jan 07 21:36:04 <KohlFusio>	not surprised me, I thought the X box was doing pretty good or at least holding its own 
Jan 07 21:37:01 *	KohlFusio got a rock and a twig ...again (note from Santa said "why break a 20 year tradition")
Jan 07 21:37:58 <Mellofone>	Xboxes rule :)
Jan 07 21:38:09 <michele>	time to tak the dog out
Jan 07 21:39:36 *	KohlFusio still has a PS1 and one game, command and conquer red alert 
Jan 07 21:40:09 <KohlFusio>	raid fridge
Jan 07 21:45:27 <KohlFusio>	metered!  gulosh from that Hungarian restaurant ...I thought closed 3 years ago 
Jan 07 21:48:48 <Paladin>	Libpng: http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/
Jan 07 21:48:56 <Paladin>	That's because slackware sucks! :)
Jan 07 21:49:21 <linc>	be nice debian $luser
Jan 07 21:49:23 <linc>	:-)
Jan 07 21:49:45 <Paladin>	Heh, come on, I couldn't let that easy one go by. :P
Jan 07 21:49:54 <linc>	I figured it was coming :-)
Jan 07 21:50:33 <Paladin>	packages.debian.org has been down a really really long time. 
Jan 07 21:50:35 <Paladin>	not cool at all
Jan 07 21:51:22 <Paladin>	And then hordes the fix for himself!
Jan 07 21:51:36 <Paladin>	No fix for you!
Jan 07 21:51:36 <linc>	yeah the bumb.
Jan 07 21:51:42 <Paladin>	Come back, one week.
Jan 07 21:53:35 <Paladin>	Gentoo is like that too, you really learn about how Linux works.
Jan 07 21:53:56 <Paladin>	And their ebuilds give you custom compiled software, with package management.
Jan 07 21:53:57 <Paladin>	Very nice stuff.
Jan 07 21:55:28 <Paladin>	Red Hat was really ugly when I used it... around 7.x.  But that's just me. 
Jan 07 21:55:59 <Paladin>	apt-get isn't GUI.  neither is Gentoo's emerge
Jan 07 21:56:00 <dann>	when the packages.debian.org is up it will have my updated slackware libpng-1.2.5 package :-).  
Jan 07 21:56:34 <Paladin>	Heh, if it ever comes back up.
Jan 07 21:57:05 <dann>	alright, it's up on my server for download now.  http://www.thelinuxlink.net/~dann/libpng-1.2.5-i586-1.tgz 
Jan 07 22:02:41 <Paladin>	I love my ISP.  I use Netrax in York, PA.  They don't care if I run a network, host servers, or do anything.
Jan 07 22:02:54 <Paladin>	Static IP at no extra cost and you actually get a person when you call.
Jan 07 22:03:16 <dann>	that is the way fastnet used to be.  
Jan 07 22:03:22 <Paladin>	Of course, now Verizon requires that you use VerizonOnline as your ISP.  Jerks! :)
Jan 07 22:05:06 <dann>	linc is on Verizon and has and raves how wonderful his connection to msn is.
Jan 07 22:05:07 <Paladin>	"The Bastard Operator From Hell"-style excuse server.
Jan 07 22:05:13 <Paladin>	http://cgi.cs.wisc.edu/scripts/ballard/bofhserver.pl
Jan 07 22:05:34 <linc>	cool!
Jan 07 22:05:58 <Paladin>	Big XML list..... http://www.normanberesford.com/bofh/excuses.xml
Jan 07 22:08:45 <KohlFusio>	see you next week 
Jan 07 22:09:12 <Paladin>	Thanks guys.
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Jan 07 22:11:13 <allan>	thanks for listening
Jan 07 22:11:21 <Paladin>	Later!
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Jan 07 22:12:00 <linc>	g'night all!
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