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Jan 21 20:28:31 <dann>	hey, now we are cooking with mac
Jan 21 20:28:35 <dann>	or xchat on mac
Jan 21 20:28:54 <linc>	Dann is a punk.
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Jan 21 20:30:13 <dann>	Ha ha, I am back.
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Jan 21 20:31:09 <dann>	fucker
Jan 21 20:31:57 <linc>	:-)
Jan 21 20:32:21 <linc>	Now Now, this is supposed to be a *Family* oriented show..
Jan 21 20:53:29 <linc>	Wow! Lots of people here tonight! Beating them off with a stick!
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Jan 21 21:02:52 <allan>	Hello all
Jan 21 21:03:04 <Paladin>	Hey
Jan 21 21:04:32 <linc>	Hey there Paladin.
Jan 21 21:04:40 <Paladin>	Hi.
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Jan 21 21:04:52 <ooohbaby>	Hey there tough guys
Jan 21 21:05:24 <ooohbaby>	anyone know how to get a visual basic program to run on linux?
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Jan 21 21:06:05 <Paladin>	Perhaps Wine? http://www.winehq.com/
Jan 21 21:07:03 <ooohbaby>	No thank you, alcohol is the devil's drink.
Jan 21 21:07:11 <Paladin>	Heh, ok then.
Jan 21 21:07:28 <dann>	no idiot, he means the Windows API that has been ported to Linux.
Jan 21 21:07:44 <ooohbaby>	Oh, I did not know.  Sorry, no I feel a bit stupid.
Jan 21 21:09:39 <ooohbaby>	Will wine run under Lindows?   That is what I am running right now.  I picked up two computers from Walmart a few months back.  One with Windows ME and the other with Lindows.
Jan 21 21:09:52 <Paladin>	SuSE story link: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5144199.html
Jan 21 21:10:40 <dann>	Did you try the click and run packages on the Lindows website?
Jan 21 21:11:17 <ooohbaby>	What's that?  I have not done anything much with Lindows.  Been spending most of my time with a copy of Visual Basic 5 I picked up at the Computer Show.  Only cost me $150.
Jan 21 21:11:23 <ooohbaby>	What a bargain.
Jan 21 21:12:51 <Paladin>	Heh, VB5 Pro on pricewatch now for $58. :)
Jan 21 21:13:19 <Paladin>	Pine rules!  That's what I used through all my college years.
Jan 21 21:13:35 <ooohbaby>	I also picked up Visual FoxPro 5 for $80.  Was that a good price?
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Jan 21 21:14:35 <ooohbaby>	I tried to run the installer for Visual Basic in Lindows but it would not run.  I kept getting errors and stuff.
Jan 21 21:14:43 <moondog>	hello all
Jan 21 21:14:52 <Paladin>	Hey moondog
Jan 21 21:14:52 <dann>	hey there!
Jan 21 21:15:14 <Paladin>	I don't know where Mellofone is... he said he'd be in here tonight.
Jan 21 21:15:18 <ooohbaby>	hello moon dog.
Jan 21 21:15:25 <Paladin>	Of course, I said I wouldn't be.  So I guess we switched! :)
Jan 21 21:15:39 <moondog>	hello OOOOH Baby
Jan 21 21:15:52 <ooohbaby>	hello
Jan 21 21:16:05 <ooohbaby>	how are you tonight?
Jan 21 21:16:23 <moondog>	well considering Im at work....OK
Jan 21 21:16:34 <dann>	do they still make visual foxpro?
Jan 21 21:16:52 <Paladin>	Visual FoxPro 8 Pro is  is $67 on Froogle.
Jan 21 21:17:03 <ooohbaby>	I guess they do, I just got version 5.  Isn't that the new version?
Jan 21 21:17:10 <Paladin>	Heh, no.
Jan 21 21:17:48 <Paladin>	I think 8.0 is the latest.....  http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/
Jan 21 21:19:23 <Paladin>	Harddrive!
Jan 21 21:19:25 <Paladin>	Keyboard!
Jan 21 21:19:29 <Paladin>	LCD!
Jan 21 21:19:33 <Paladin>	Mobo!
Jan 21 21:20:01 <moondog>	on/off switch
Jan 21 21:20:09 <Paladin>	Heh, that would be rough.
Jan 21 21:22:02 <ooohbaby>	Well, I guess what I learn in 5 will apply to 8.  I am thinking about taking some courses at ABS after I do that Microsoft and Cisco free training thingie that is advertised on the radio all the time.  Anyone go through that course yet?
Jan 21 21:22:32 <moondog>	free training???
Jan 21 21:22:42 <moondog>	from ABS
Jan 21 21:23:48 <dann>	There is some technology preview thing that MS and Cisco are doing and adveritising on the radio.  Some crappy promotional thing.
Jan 21 21:23:53 <Paladin>	http://www.fakedrpepper.com/drthunder.html
Jan 21 21:23:56 <Paladin>	heh
Jan 21 21:24:37 <moondog>	Im for the Cisco not MS
Jan 21 21:25:16 <Paladin>	TLLTS archives: http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/tllts/
Jan 21 21:25:27 <dann>	Paladin with the links, you are the man.
Jan 21 21:25:30 <ooohbaby>	Didn't loveline do a list of Dr. Pepper knock offs a few weeks ago?
Jan 21 21:25:47 <Paladin>	I try to be helpful. :)
Jan 21 21:26:10 <Paladin>	More RIAA suits: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&e=10&u=/ap/downloading_music
Jan 21 21:26:29 <Paladin>	No names... "identified only by their numeric Internet protocol addresses".... 
Jan 21 21:26:36 <ooohbaby>	I hear that you can share you internet connecction using Linux.  Will that work with Lindows?  I am using AOL at home.  Can I connect to AOL with Lindows? 
Jan 21 21:27:01 <dann>	I don't think AOL has a client for linux anymore.  I doubt there is anything for Lindows.
Jan 21 21:27:12 <moondog>	No...this was the issue with the walmart computers with windows
Jan 21 21:27:16 <Paladin>	ooohbaby, but you are using Mac OS X now?
Jan 21 21:27:21 <moondog>	I mean Lindows
Jan 21 21:27:47 <ooohbaby>	I am at my parents house.
Jan 21 21:28:24 <Paladin>	They run Mozilla/Chatzilla?
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Jan 21 21:28:37 <mellofone>	hello :)
Jan 21 21:28:47 <moondog>	Hello Mellofone
Jan 21 21:29:03 <mellofone>	wassup folks
Jan 21 21:29:12 *	Paladin slaps mellofone around a bit with a large trout
Jan 21 21:29:14 <Paladin>	Heh.
Jan 21 21:29:31 <mellofone>	stop that
Jan 21 21:29:34 <ooohbaby>	It's my uncle's computer.  I liked the little dragon icon.  Then he showed me this chat thingie and this group came up.  I thought cool, I run Lindows and that is Linux.  Maybe you guys could help me with some questions.
Jan 21 21:29:47 <mellofone>	I can help.
Jan 21 21:29:51 <mellofone>	Stop running Lindows
Jan 21 21:29:52 <mellofone>	:)
Jan 21 21:30:35 <Paladin>	What is your uncle's computer doing at your parent's house?
Jan 21 21:30:38 <ooohbaby>	Why?  What is wrong with Lindows.  Although must say, it looks almost exactly like windows, but it will not run any of my windows software.
Jan 21 21:31:01 <mellofone>	use a standard Linux distro
Jan 21 21:31:04 <ooohbaby>	It's my Mom's birthday.  We went out to Denny's.
Jan 21 21:31:23 <moondog>	I like the Gifts
Jan 21 21:31:58 <dann>	Swag!  Pens, Bags, plastic thingies!
Jan 21 21:32:02 <Paladin>	Went to Denny's and brought back your uncle's PC (Mac OS X) to your parent's house? :)
Jan 21 21:32:20 <Paladin>	Which happens to have an IP on the same LAN as the IRC server..... of course. ;)
Jan 21 21:32:21 <dann>	Shirts, shirts, shirts!  Distro Discs!  Microsoft Services for Unix
Jan 21 21:32:27 <moondog>	SHIRTS!!!!!!!!
Jan 21 21:32:52 <ooohbaby>	No, my uncle is here too.  He was doing some work.
Jan 21 21:33:05 <Paladin>	And brought his PC with him! :)  
Jan 21 21:33:07 <moondog>	Down with Red Hat
Jan 21 21:33:10 <mellofone>	why does dann have the same ip as ooohbaby?
Jan 21 21:33:34 <Paladin>	And they happen to be using the same OS.
Jan 21 21:33:40 <Paladin>	One xchat session, one Chatzilla.
Jan 21 21:33:41 <Paladin>	:P
Jan 21 21:33:51 <ooohbaby>	Uh oh.  cheeze it!
Jan 21 21:34:08 <Paladin>	It's like....  astroturfing... but on IRC!
Jan 21 21:34:26 <moondog>	HAHAHA
Jan 21 21:34:39 <Paladin>	Astroturfing: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/a/astroturfing.html
Jan 21 21:34:53 <Paladin>	I feel dirty.
Jan 21 21:35:01 <ooohbaby>	Actually, I was just trying out chatzilla for the first time.  I'm using the mac tonight and typically I use xchat on the mysteriously disappearing laptop.  
Jan 21 21:35:31 <Paladin>	[21:05] <ooohbaby> Hey there tough guys
Jan 21 21:35:33 <Paladin>	Heh, classic.
Jan 21 21:35:39 <ooohbaby>	Well, since linc forgot his power adapter, I had to lend him mine and use the Tibook.  Thought I would give chatzilla a try.
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Jan 21 21:36:37 <Paladin>	Treewave: http://www.treewave.com/
Jan 21 21:39:26 <Paladin>	Uh....  it's really quiet in here.   Tooo quiet.
Jan 21 21:39:46 <mellofone>	We need a BlackJack bot in here
Jan 21 21:39:54 <Paladin>	Yer damn right we do. :)
Jan 21 21:39:56 <moondog>	Oh ye of litle faith
Jan 21 21:41:21 <mellofone>	want a cookie?
Jan 21 21:41:32 <Paladin>	I do.
Jan 21 21:41:41 <moondog>	Chocolate
Jan 21 21:41:59 <linc>	Cookie?  Who has the cookies?
Jan 21 21:42:19 <linc>	I want a doughnut.
Jan 21 21:42:24 <mellofone>	NO PLEASE
Jan 21 21:42:30 <mellofone>	NO MORE DOGNUT TALK!
Jan 21 21:42:32 <mellofone>	:)
Jan 21 21:42:47 <linc>	You guys started it with the cookie stuff :-)
Jan 21 21:43:08 <moondog>	OUCH!!
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Jan 21 21:43:13 <Paladin>	Hey Allan, I got MythTV up and running over the weekend.
Jan 21 21:43:14 <mellofone>	whooops
Jan 21 21:43:15 <michele>	did someone say COOKIE?????
Jan 21 21:43:19 <mellofone>	missed a U there :)
Jan 21 21:43:30 <Paladin>	AMD 1800+, ATI TV Wonder PCI, 512MB....   ran like a charm.
Jan 21 21:43:34 <Paladin>	on Gentoo.
Jan 21 21:43:43 <linc>	You guys gotta get to a LUG meeting and show that MythTV off!
Jan 21 21:43:43 <allan>	I need to get a new computer before I can do myth
Jan 21 21:43:47 <Paladin>	[21:43] <mellofone> NO MORE DOGNUT TALK!
Jan 21 21:43:48 <mellofone>	wow. nice!
Jan 21 21:43:51 <mellofone>	how do you like it?
Jan 21 21:43:52 <Paladin>	Amen to that, mellofone!
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Jan 21 21:45:35 <linc>	doughnuts - DoughNuts - DOUGHNUTS!!  AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Jan 21 21:45:59 <Patrick>	what's happening folks? Slack is back!!
Jan 21 21:46:07 <moondog>	sorry to hear that
Jan 21 21:46:08 <allan>	Yeaaa
Jan 21 21:46:12 <moondog>	hello Patrick
Jan 21 21:46:17 <Paladin>	Hey all
Jan 21 21:46:20 <Patrick>	swaret is sweet!
Jan 21 21:46:22 <mellofone>	please don't take about slackware :)
Jan 21 21:46:28 <moondog>	amen
Jan 21 21:46:31 <Paladin>	take about?
Jan 21 21:46:37 <linc>	Be careful with that Slackware stuff, Mello and Pal will pick a fight with you.. They are <ick> Deeebian folks :-P
Jan 21 21:46:42 <Paladin>	Like, put it in a basket and carry it around and stuff? :)
Jan 21 21:47:05 *	Paladin is more of a Gentoo/Debian folk.
Jan 21 21:47:10 *	mellofone is too.
Jan 21 21:47:16 <Patrick>	I like Debian as well
Jan 21 21:47:19 <moondog>	No to Gentoo
Jan 21 21:47:20 <mellofone>	Debian = Server.
Jan 21 21:47:22 <Paladin>	Mellofone is way more Gentoo than Debian these days.
Jan 21 21:47:28 <Paladin>	Debian = Server, Gentoo = Desktop
Jan 21 21:47:28 <mellofone>	Gentoo = Desktop
Jan 21 21:47:31 <mellofone>	beer!
Jan 21 21:47:34 <Paladin>	hehe
Jan 21 21:47:36 <Paladin>	indeed
Jan 21 21:47:39 <Patrick>	I had a bad experience with Debian and the 2.6.1 kernel
Jan 21 21:47:46 <Paladin>	Gentoo = MythTV!!! :)
Jan 21 21:48:11 <Patrick>	Alsa was a little buggy so I went back to the old OSS driver for my sound card
Jan 21 21:48:13 <Paladin>	I installed Gentoo with a 2.6.1-gentoo kernel over the weekend to get MythTV up and running.  I loved the new kernel!
Jan 21 21:48:29 <mellofone>	works on the new district Samba server...
Jan 21 21:48:34 <Patrick>	Pal, I hope you  had a fast processor?
Jan 21 21:48:37 <Paladin>	I had ALSA up and running without issue.  But I'm sure the SBLive (emu10k1) made it easy to get up and running.
Jan 21 21:48:45 <Paladin>	AMD 1800+
Jan 21 21:48:54 <Patrick>	alsa didn't play nice with kde
Jan 21 21:49:11 <Paladin>	Just got a AMD 2500+ (Barton 333FSB) to build a new dedicated MythTV box.  I plan on using Gentoo again.
Jan 21 21:49:16 <Patrick>	also swaret killed alsa when i upgraded my packages
Jan 21 21:49:26 <Paladin>	Compile times really weren't all that bad.  It took a long time, but it wasn't horrible.
Jan 21 21:49:51 <Patrick>	I have to get the rest of my apps up and running
Jan 21 21:49:51 <Paladin>	Patrick:  Try Gentoo. :)
Jan 21 21:50:21 <Patrick>	Pal, not with a 800 mhz processor, I tried it once and the install took about a week:)
Jan 21 21:50:28 <Paladin>	Heh, true.
Jan 21 21:50:30 <mellofone>	a week?
Jan 21 21:50:31 <mellofone>	never
Jan 21 21:50:35 <mellofone>	come on :)
Jan 21 21:50:53 <Patrick>	Gentoo got hosed when i did a system wide emerge, all of my init scripts go wiped?!
Jan 21 21:50:54 <mellofone>	I have it on a 700MHz at work
Jan 21 21:51:00 <mellofone>	didn't take that long
Jan 21 21:51:04 <Paladin>	I compiled and ran Gentoo on a 1.1GHz AMD T-bird.... that wasn't all that bad.  And I had everything under the sun installed on that thing!
Jan 21 21:51:16 <Patrick>	mel, no gnome or kde?
Jan 21 21:51:27 <Paladin>	Yeah, actually both. :)
Jan 21 21:51:37 <Paladin>	Gnome, KDE, Sawfish, and Fluxbox
Jan 21 21:51:41 <Paladin>	full Mozilla 
Jan 21 21:51:45 <Paladin>	Apache, MySQL, PHP
Jan 21 21:51:48 <Patrick>	firebird rocks
Jan 21 21:52:09 <Paladin>	Indeed it does!
Jan 21 21:52:14 <mellofone>	gnome? kde? what's that? :)
Jan 21 21:52:26 <Patrick>	i have it on my winNT box at work, IE, grrrrrh!
Jan 21 21:52:26 <Paladin>	Hey, I was testing them out.  KDE has some cool stuff.
Jan 21 21:52:29 <mellofone>	you need Fluxbox
Jan 21 21:52:38 <Paladin>	I've come to see the beauty of Fluxbox though.
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Jan 21 21:53:06 <Paladin>	[21:05] <ooohbaby> Hey there tough guys
Jan 21 21:53:06 <Paladin>	[21:06] <ooohbaby> anyone know how to get a visual basic program to run on linux?
Jan 21 21:53:14 <Paladin>	I want Dann to talk as "ooohbaby" on air. :P
Jan 21 21:53:14 <Patrick>	macs are nice but they worse than MS, they own the software, they own the hardware!!
Jan 21 21:53:37 <Patrick>	vb = virus writer :)
Jan 21 21:53:38 <linc>	Pal - Yup :-)
Jan 21 21:53:54 <linc>	Yellowdog run's great on macs though!
Jan 21 21:53:55 <Paladin>	Release early. Release often.
Jan 21 21:53:56 <Paladin>	?
Jan 21 21:54:01 <Patrick>	macs are expensive as hell too
Jan 21 21:54:06 <mellofone>	Debian works on my mac
Jan 21 21:54:17 <Patrick>	mac likes to nickle and dime you to death
Jan 21 21:54:31 <Patrick>	$99 here, $200 there ....
Jan 21 21:54:45 <Paladin>	RvB Apple Switch ad: http://www.redvsblue.com/appleswitch.shtml
Jan 21 21:54:55 <Paladin>	Check that out... pretty funny.  
Jan 21 21:55:09 <Paladin>	Pat: those are big nickles and dimes!!
Jan 21 21:55:29 <Patrick>	yeah, $299 for the video editing package!!
Jan 21 21:55:35 <mellofone>	DOZh
Jan 21 21:55:40 <mellofone>	err DOH even :)
Jan 21 21:56:20 <dann>	No, you do not want dann to talk as oohbaby.  If he did, this show would loose it's PG rating and maybe go to PG-13; thus losing our family audience.
Jan 21 21:56:43 <Paladin>	Heh, and lose your massive audience!!
Jan 21 21:56:51 <dann>	and gain a whole new audience.
Jan 21 21:56:58 <Paladin>	True.
Jan 21 21:57:02 <Paladin>	Oh please!
Jan 21 21:57:11 <Patrick>	I'd like to try freebsd, #30 on my list of things to do
Jan 21 21:57:15 <Paladin>	Mac goes down just as often, and just as hard as Windows.
Jan 21 21:57:29 <mellofone>	yeah it does
Jan 21 21:57:37 <Paladin>	I've used Mac OS X.  I'd say it's no better than Win98.
Jan 21 21:57:47 <Paladin>	we'll....  Win98SE :)
Jan 21 21:57:53 <mellofone>	and it looks just like KDE
Jan 21 21:58:02 <Patrick>	I was checking out the new dual G5's, not expensive until you add all the extras
Jan 21 21:58:04 <Paladin>	Which is ok, because KDE rules.
Jan 21 21:58:10 <linc>	Maybe so but PPC archetecture is far and beyond better than i386.
Jan 21 21:58:16 <mellofone>	how?
Jan 21 21:58:27 <Paladin>	Heh, i386?  I used that in um.... 1993.
Jan 21 21:58:52 <Patrick>	mac also only advertises the really expensive flat panel monitors
Jan 21 21:58:57 <mellofone>	some of use Gentoo uses compile specifically for our Athlon-XP processors :)
Jan 21 21:59:01 <linc>	i386 is a processor archetecture standard 386, 486, 586, 686, etc..
Jan 21 21:59:47 <Patrick>	i love to hand out knoppix cd's at work
Jan 21 21:59:51 <Paladin>	er, that would be x86
Jan 21 22:00:05 <Paladin>	but yeah, I see what you meant.
Jan 21 22:00:20 <Patrick>	people always come back and say, wow the desktop is pretty nice, i didn't linux was so pretty
Jan 21 22:00:31 <mellofone>	yeah it is.
Jan 21 22:01:04 <mellofone>	that's what the people say at work... with my three monitors/video cards running fluxbox :)
Jan 21 22:01:06 <Patrick>	speaking of bean soup, I had lentil
Jan 21 22:01:21 <Patrick>	warning, danger !!!
Jan 21 22:01:30 <dann>	cool. lentil soup is good.
Jan 21 22:01:39 <mellofone>	are we talking tech or what?
Jan 21 22:01:41 <mellofone>	:P
Jan 21 22:01:42 <Patrick>	not if you drink beer with it
Jan 21 22:01:48 <dann>	explosivo
Jan 21 22:02:03 <Patrick>	i was at the raubsville in a few weeks back, they have Stella Artois on tap
Jan 21 22:02:15 <Patrick>	Stella, yum
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Jan 21 22:03:03 <Patrick>	we should have a meeting at the raubsville inn, cajun food and stella artois, heaven
Jan 21 22:03:49 <Patrick>	rt 611
Jan 21 22:03:56 <dann>	why not.  That and a video editing meeting.
Jan 21 22:03:56 <Patrick>	south of easton
Jan 21 22:04:04 <Patrick>	sits on the river
Jan 21 22:05:03 <Patrick>	611 was the old way to go to Philly
Jan 21 22:05:26 <Patrick>	stays in PA
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Jan 21 22:06:43 <Patrick>	I have to get cinelerra going on my new slack install
Jan 21 22:06:57 <Patrick>	swaret installed gimp 2.0, sweet
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Jan 21 22:07:27 <moondog>	Thanks for the show.
Jan 21 22:07:28 <Patrick>	swaret is not verbose as apt-get but it will do
Jan 21 22:07:53 <Patrick>	see you guys on friday, what time are we meeting?
Jan 21 22:07:55 <ooohbaby>	Any time big boy...
Jan 21 22:08:59 <allan>	Thanks for listening
Jan 21 22:09:14 <Patrick>	kmart on rt 191?
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Jan 21 22:09:19 <linc>	7:30 at the K-mart 191.
Jan 21 22:09:37 <Patrick>	I'll get the doughnuts, what do you like?
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Jan 21 22:10:19 <Patrick>	good night boys
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Jan 21 22:10:26 <linc>	 bye everyone!
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