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Feb 04 21:03:05 <linc>	Hello all!
Feb 04 21:03:31 <rod>	Howdy, gents!
Feb 04 21:03:44 <allan>	Hello All
Feb 04 21:03:45 <linc>	show will be on in just a minute
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Feb 04 21:04:42 <ooohbaby>	hey there hot rod
Feb 04 21:04:50 <rod>	HAHAHAHAHAHA
Feb 04 21:05:13 <rod>	howdy!  ;^)
Feb 04 21:05:47 <ooohbaby>	a good evening to you!
Feb 04 21:06:22 <rod>	brb
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Feb 04 21:07:08 <moondog>	hello all
Feb 04 21:07:15 <ooohbaby>	Hey moondog, you just missed hot rod!
Feb 04 21:07:17 <linc>	'sup moondoggie!
Feb 04 21:07:22 <ooohbaby>	but hopefully he will be right back.
Feb 04 21:07:30 <moondog>	HOT ROD!!!???
Feb 04 21:07:56 <moondog>	what the heck is going on with the stream
Feb 04 21:08:09 <linc>	whats wrong?
Feb 04 21:08:32 <moondog>	I was listening to Dann and it sounds like you just startes all over???
Feb 04 21:08:50 <moondog>	Are you on commercial now
Feb 04 21:09:17 <ooohbaby>	dann screwed it up a few seconds into the promo
Feb 04 21:09:35 <ooohbaby>	or when the promo was supposed to be.
Feb 04 21:09:38 <moondog>	OHHHH...hahah..Im not going nuts then
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Feb 04 21:09:53 <hotrod>	there we go .. much better!  ;^)
Feb 04 21:10:54 <moondog>	Linc I love the penguin game on the blog
Feb 04 21:12:31 <ooohbaby>	That is an awsome game.
Feb 04 21:13:04 <linc>	cool!
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Feb 04 21:15:09 <moondog>	also on the news "Debian Fastest Growing Linux Distribution"
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Feb 04 21:16:11 <Mellofone>	yello :)
Feb 04 21:16:25 <Paladin>	Hey. :)
Feb 04 21:16:27 <moondog>	Hello Mello
Feb 04 21:16:37 <moondog>	Hey Paladin
Feb 04 21:17:13 <Mellofone>	how's it going :)
Feb 04 21:21:42 <Mellofone>	everyone asleep?
Feb 04 21:21:45 <Mellofone>	wtf :)
Feb 04 21:21:52 <ooohbaby>	ftw
Feb 04 21:22:03 <Mellofone>	debian > slackware
Feb 04 21:22:06 *	Mellofone snickers.
Feb 04 21:22:24 <Paladin>	Pretty quiet in here tonight.
Feb 04 21:22:26 <ooohbaby>	sure debian is more hogier than slackware
Feb 04 21:22:42 <hotrod>	"more hogier" ?
Feb 04 21:23:26 <Mellofone>	I need a hoagie
Feb 04 21:23:32 <Paladin>	Dann is logged in as "ooohbaby" again tonight... using Chatzilla.
Feb 04 21:23:43 <Paladin>	That's just creepy dude.  
Feb 04 21:23:58 <Mellofone>	heheeh
Feb 04 21:23:59 <allan>	tell me about it!
Feb 04 21:24:37 <moondog>	[SPAM]
Feb 04 21:26:04 <Paladin>	I'm running 2.6.1 on my MythTV box.
Feb 04 21:26:15 <Mellofone>	2.6.1 on my Samba server at work
Feb 04 21:26:15 <Paladin>	I love it.  It's got some quirks, but it wasn't hard at all.
Feb 04 21:26:44 <Mellofone>	much more organized then 2.4.x
Feb 04 21:26:47 <Mellofone>	the config I mean
Feb 04 21:27:17 <Paladin>	And it has "forcedeth" in it!  
Feb 04 21:27:29 <Mellofone>	yeah it does heheeh
Feb 04 21:27:46 <moondog>	Is that 2.6.1 on Debian
Feb 04 21:27:58 <Mellofone>	I have tried it on debian and gentoo
Feb 04 21:28:18 <moondog>	any glitches on restarting
Feb 04 21:28:25 <Mellofone>	not a single one
Feb 04 21:28:41 <linc>	whoops - lost the stream!
Feb 04 21:28:53 <moondog>	I will have to try it
Feb 04 21:29:01 <Paladin>	I'm running 2.6.1-gentoo on Gentoo.
Feb 04 21:29:29 <Paladin>	Linux ganymede 2.6.1-gentoo #3 Sat Jan 31 16:00:07 EST 2004 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
Feb 04 21:29:32 <Mellofone>	I used kernel.org straight 2.6.1
Feb 04 21:31:04 <ooohbaby>	sorry about that.
Feb 04 21:31:06 <Paladin>	Icecast is fairly crappy.
Feb 04 21:31:14 <Paladin>	Shoutcast for Linux rules.
Feb 04 21:31:16 <Mellofone>	sorry about what?
Feb 04 21:31:27 <Paladin>	Shoutcast is the closed source one.  Icecast is the opensource clone.
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Feb 04 21:31:57 <ooohbaby>	the stream going down.
Feb 04 21:31:59 <ooohbaby>	Muse died.  Problem with some mp3
Feb 04 21:33:09 <Paladin>	Hrm Symantec doesn't seem to have too many "down" periods: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SYMC&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
Feb 04 21:34:07 <ooohbaby>	I compiled the 2.6.1 kernel last night and today a few times.  I keep getting an error that it cannot mount the root fs:  VFS kernel panic unable to mount root fs on (302) or hda2
Feb 04 21:34:39 <Mellofone>	what filesystem?
Feb 04 21:34:59 <ooohbaby>	ext3
Feb 04 21:35:05 <Mellofone>	hmmm
Feb 04 21:35:10 <ooohbaby>	double checked and ext3, ext2 are both compiled in
Feb 04 21:35:11 <Mellofone>	that's what I got on the gentoo server
Feb 04 21:35:19 <Mellofone>	use kernel quotas too
Feb 04 21:35:31 <ooohbaby>	there was a bit about problems if you compile in Advanced Partition support.
Feb 04 21:36:40 <Mellofone>	hmmm, I don't think I used that
Feb 04 21:36:43 <ooohbaby>	Yeah, quotas was checked.  I thought about that, but never had a problem with the 2.4.x series.
Feb 04 21:37:17 <ooohbaby>	I pulled this out and started re-compiliing; still going.
Feb 04 21:38:33 <moondog>	Its like state inspection for your computer..Well ISP inspection
Feb 04 21:38:48 <Mellofone>	[ ] Advanced partition selection
Feb 04 21:38:51 <Mellofone>	nope, didn't use that
Feb 04 21:39:12 <ooohbaby>	reading the docs I see that I really do not need that, so it is out.
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Feb 04 21:40:33 <Mellofone>	heh
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Feb 04 21:40:56 <Mellofone>	stop that :)
Feb 04 21:41:09 <Paladin>	Heh, stupid router. :)
Feb 04 21:41:15 <Paladin>	You know you don't compile 2.6 the same was as 2.4 right?
Feb 04 21:41:23 <Paladin>	# make && make modules_install
Feb 04 21:41:36 <Paladin>	No make dep required.
Feb 04 21:42:02 <ooohbaby>	yup.  make mrproper to start, config, make yup; did read the install before I went through it.
Feb 04 21:43:12 <Paladin>	mrproper?
Feb 04 21:43:13 <Paladin>	Heh.
Feb 04 21:43:17 <Paladin>	make menuconfig
Feb 04 21:43:20 <Paladin>	that's the way to go
Feb 04 21:43:58 <Mellofone>	mrproper is old school
Feb 04 21:45:02 <Mellofone>	funny that they use it..
Feb 04 21:45:07 <ooohbaby>	README says mrproper to start, then your preferred config method.  vi .config, build it from hand.  
Feb 04 21:45:19 <Paladin>	DMCA is the law, not the encryption.
Feb 04 21:45:26 <Paladin>	Digital Millennium Copyright Act
Feb 04 21:46:05 <Paladin>	Yeah, run `make menuconfig` and use a nice menu interface to configure everything.  Hit the space bar to to toggle options (build-in or module)
Feb 04 21:46:12 <Paladin>	DVDs use CSS encryption.
Feb 04 21:47:19 <Mellofone>	hence DeCSS
Feb 04 21:48:01 <ooohbaby>	Now running make config, that is a chore.  Line by line, no going back, straight thourgh.  You miss something you are better off just editing the file yourself.
Feb 04 21:48:27 <ooohbaby>	I do have to admit that the new layout in xconfig is pretty nice.  Still, for speed, menuconfig is number one.
Feb 04 21:49:11 <Mellofone>	yeah... ncurses owns me
Feb 04 21:49:41 <Paladin>	Because Staples wants to get you in the store.
Feb 04 21:50:10 <Paladin>	Their goal isn't to give you a great deal. It's to get you in the store with a few rebate sales or loss-leaders.
Feb 04 21:50:15 <Paladin>	And from the sounds of it, it works! :)
Feb 04 21:50:48 <ooohbaby>	with a log of be-moaning from the fessenden.  I surprised he did not tantrum right there in the printer aisle.
Feb 04 21:52:43 <ooohbaby>	single line input.
Feb 04 21:52:46 <ooohbaby>	now that is better.
Feb 04 21:53:09 <ooohbaby>	:-)
Feb 04 21:53:16 <ooohbaby>	:-[
Feb 04 21:53:38 <ooohbaby>	0=[]
Feb 04 21:53:47 <moondog>	:)
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Feb 04 21:55:10 <Paladin>	OSS is deprecated in 2.6.1
Feb 04 21:55:21 <ooohbaby>	it is.
Feb 04 21:55:24 <ooohbaby>	alsa all the way.
Feb 04 21:55:48 <Paladin>	Definitely. I'm using ALSA on the MythTV box with Gentoo.
Feb 04 21:57:27 <ooohbaby>	ugly xfce.  Bad pinboard, bad.  Hmmm. fluxbox does not work with it.  Blackbox must, right?  Blackbox, fluxbox, hmmm  
Feb 04 21:57:37 <ooohbaby>	twm
Feb 04 21:58:12 <Paladin>	Uh, bttv isn't hard.
Feb 04 21:58:19 <Paladin>	Compile it all as modules.  modprobe. done.
Feb 04 21:58:26 <Paladin>	set your card type and tuner type
Feb 04 21:59:31 <linc>	set my card and tuner type to what exactly..
Feb 04 22:00:41 <Paladin>	There's a list of numbers.
Feb 04 22:00:48 <Paladin>	Like the ATI TV Wonder is 63 or something
Feb 04 22:00:51 <linc>	what if your card isn't in there
Feb 04 22:01:00 <Paladin>	then you dont have a bttv chipset most likely
Feb 04 22:01:06 <linc>	:-)
Feb 04 22:01:38 <linc>	well, my card happened to be in there, but it would *NOT* set the tuner to the right type..  pita it was..
Feb 04 22:02:11 <Paladin>	alias char-major-81     videodev
Feb 04 22:02:11 <Paladin>	alias char-major-81-0   bttv
Feb 04 22:02:11 <Paladin>	options bttv            card=63 tuner=2
Feb 04 22:02:11 <Paladin>	options tuner           type=2
Feb 04 22:02:21 <Paladin>	That's for a ATI TV Wonder Pro (PCI)
Feb 04 22:02:50 <linc>	what exactly is the char-major stuff anyway?
Feb 04 22:02:50 <Paladin>	Are you sure you had NTSC/PAL set right in your player app?
Feb 04 22:02:57 <linc>	yup
Feb 04 22:03:55 <Paladin>	tvtime is a great tv watching app
Feb 04 22:03:57 <Paladin>	which card do you have?
Feb 04 22:04:08 <linc>	I have a card=1 and a tuner type=6
Feb 04 22:04:18 <Paladin>	What card is it?
Feb 04 22:04:29 <linc>	pctv somethingorother - really old..
Feb 04 22:04:47 <Paladin>	card=1 is a "Miro" card
Feb 04 22:05:08 <Paladin>	tuner=6 is a "Temic NTSC tuner"
Feb 04 22:05:11 <Paladin>	are those correct?
Feb 04 22:05:54 <linc>	thats what works..  card is a p????something micro pctv and the tuner finally works but I didn't pull to check the chiposet
Feb 04 22:06:04 <Paladin>	Pinnacle?
Feb 04 22:06:13 <linc>	yeah, thats the one (i think)
Feb 04 22:06:14 <Paladin>	You also need to compile the i2c modules
Feb 04 22:06:18 <Paladin>	or compile them into the kernel
Feb 04 22:06:25 <Paladin>	options i2c-core        i2c_debug=1
Feb 04 22:06:25 <Paladin>	options i2c-algo-bit    bit_test=1
Feb 04 22:06:28 <linc>	i2c get's loaded automatically
Feb 04 22:07:13 <Paladin>	With mine, when it's all loaded and ready to rock I have the following modules loaded: tvaudio, tuner, bttv, video_buf, i2c_algo_bit, btcx_risc, btaudio
Feb 04 22:07:27 <Paladin>	You definitely need the i2c "bit banging" stuff.
Feb 04 22:07:38 <Paladin>	And Video4Linux compiled in.
Feb 04 22:07:58 <linc>	it works right now and I didn't have to recompile anything
Feb 04 22:08:08 <Paladin>	According to this, you are using the wrong card/tuner settings... http://linux.box.sk/faq_list.php?subject=Linux%20-%3E%20Hardware
Feb 04 22:08:28 <Paladin>	Hrm, unless that's a different card. :)  
Feb 04 22:08:37 <linc>	all i had to do was add the card= and load the tuner module with the correct type
Feb 04 22:08:54 <Paladin>	Cool. :)
Feb 04 22:09:20 <linc>	what does it say for tuner type?
Feb 04 22:10:42 <Paladin>	509 times of which were by Dann :)
Feb 04 22:11:25 <allan>	508... I downloaded one
Feb 04 22:13:30 <ooohbaby>	hey, I onlyh downloaded 505, tried to keep it nice and round like.
Feb 04 22:14:24 <Paladin>	Heh.
Feb 04 22:14:26 <Paladin>	Thanks for the show guys.
Feb 04 22:14:29 <Paladin>	Later!
Feb 04 22:14:37 <allan>	thank for listening
Feb 04 22:14:44 <linc>	:-)
Feb 04 22:15:05 <moondog>	Thanks Guys..
Feb 04 22:15:05 <linc>	how was the show?
Feb 04 22:15:07 <ooohbaby>	thank you thank you thank you.
Feb 04 22:15:12 <ooohbaby>	Hey, what happened to hot rod?
Feb 04 22:15:29 <moondog>	Hey had to go patch his microsoft computer
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Feb 04 22:16:33 <linc>	cya later everyone!
Feb 04 22:16:42 <moondog>	Gnite
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