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Jun 09 20:10:07 -->	You are now talking on #techshow
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Jun 09 20:44:34 <dann>	hoo ha.  Hello all
Jun 09 20:44:56 <graeme64>	Hi Dann
Jun 09 20:44:57 <linc>	*buuuurrrrp*..
Jun 09 20:45:00 <rjbs>	No topic?  Jeez.
Jun 09 20:46:10 <dann>	That's the way we like it.
Jun 09 20:46:25 <rjbs>	You forgot the "uh-huh uh-huh."
Jun 09 20:46:31 <linc>	we dont know what we are going to say until after it happens :-)
Jun 09 20:47:04 <rjbs>	well, who says a topic has to be on point?
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Jun 09 20:47:06 <dann>	I figured you would add that in.
Jun 09 20:47:09 <dann>	As my backup of course.
Jun 09 20:47:14 <linc>	right
Jun 09 20:47:20 <rjbs>	 /topic WHO WANTS FUDGE?
Jun 09 20:47:28 <rjbs>	Did I get here just in time for something, or something? Everybody's joining...
Jun 09 20:47:52 <dann>	well it's about that time.  And allan already had his fudge.  
Jun 09 20:47:58 <dann>	Now he has fudgy fingers.
Jun 09 20:48:02 *	rjbs just had a Ben and Jerry's chipwich.  Man that was good.
Jun 09 20:48:44 *	graeme64 in UK wonders what a chipwich is
Jun 09 20:49:04 <allan>	Not fudge. Milky way
Jun 09 20:49:26 <rjbs>	graeme64: ice cream between too cookies
Jun 09 20:49:30 <rjbs>	Er.  Two.
Jun 09 20:49:34 <rjbs>	Wow, how did that get through?
Jun 09 20:49:45 <linc>	Chipwich is icecream between chock chip cookies - one of the things that makes america great  :-)
Jun 09 20:49:53 <graeme64>	Hmm never tried that before
Jun 09 20:49:56 <rjbs>	It's faboo.
Jun 09 20:50:08 <rjbs>	graeme64: You'd probably want to pervert it with brown sauce or something.
Jun 09 20:50:11 <rjbs>	graeme64: Where in .uk are you?
Jun 09 20:50:37 <rjbs>	http://www.benjerry.com/our_products/flavor_details.cfm?product_id=136
Jun 09 20:50:38 <graeme64>	Here in scotland we like our food deep-fried - I wonder if you can deep fry icecream/
Jun 09 20:50:46 <rjbs>	If you're careful.
Jun 09 20:51:02 <rjbs>	Easier to deep fry the Milky Way.
Jun 09 20:51:09 <graeme64>	I'm in East Kilbride just outside Glasgow
Jun 09 20:51:10 <linc>	yes you can and deep fried icecream is fantastic.  Trust me, I am a fat man :-)
Jun 09 20:51:21 <allan>	Too late for that :)
Jun 09 20:51:39 <graeme64>	Deep fried mars bars are very popular here :)
Jun 09 20:51:55 <linc>	now that sounds good!
Jun 09 20:51:57 <rjbs>	graeme64: I need to get to Scotland on my next trip to .uk; I know much of your frying habits.
Jun 09 20:52:07 <rjbs>	I couldn't find a #$@#ing scotch egg anywhere in Wales. :(
Jun 09 20:52:31 <allan>	What is a scotch egg?
Jun 09 20:52:45 <rjbs>	Hardboiled egg, rolled in sausage, fried.
Jun 09 20:53:02 <dann>	crotch egg, that sounds right up linc's alley.
Jun 09 20:53:21 <allan>	I can feel my arteries closing up. Sounds good!
Jun 09 20:53:25 <rjbs>	scotch egg: http://www.deliaonline.com/picturelibrary%5Cjpeg230/cc/cc411-scotch-eggs101.jpg
Jun 09 20:53:26 <dann>	I've been trying to find deep fried mars bars around here.  Used to have them all over the fairs and such two years ago.  Haven't seen them since.
Jun 09 20:53:27 <linc>	now now, thats crotch rott, a nd that's your department dann
Jun 09 20:54:04 <graeme64>	Should be easy enough to make your own dann
Jun 09 20:54:45 <rjbs>	sourceforge--
Jun 09 20:54:48 <dann>	Yeah, but then that would mean making more than one.  Breaking out all that equipment for just one deep fried mars bar is overkill.  And if I make more than one, well then I'd gorge myself.
Jun 09 20:55:38 <graeme64>	True... but maybe a nice addition to the menu next time you have a BBQ
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Jun 09 20:57:42 <dann>	BBQ mars bars.  I wonder how that would work out?
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Jun 09 20:58:10 <graeme64>	Very messy I think!!
Jun 09 20:58:13 <rjbs>	sounds awful.
Jun 09 20:58:20 <rjbs>	especially if you use a dry rub.
Jun 09 20:59:17 <dann>	And wrap bacon around it.  Everything is better with bacon wrapped around it.
Jun 09 20:59:29 <rjbs>	Especially cigarettes.
Jun 09 20:59:45 <dann>	Put it on a stick with an onion on either side and that makes for a nice ka-bob.
Jun 09 20:59:49 <dann>	mars-ka-bob.
Jun 09 20:59:51 <linc>	A bacon cigarette?  I am in love!
Jun 09 21:00:13 <dann>	Allan kicked the dog out again.
Jun 09 21:00:39 <dann>	bastard.  
Jun 09 21:00:43 <linc>	here we go....!
Jun 09 21:01:32 <Patrick>	what's sup
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Jun 09 21:02:57 <rjbs>	seeking algorithms.
Jun 09 21:03:13 <dann>	or just a rythym.
Jun 09 21:03:35 <Patrick>	mister gorbachev, tear down the wall!
Jun 09 21:03:44 <rjbs>	s/the/that/
Jun 09 21:04:10 <dann>	rhythm (sorry for the butchered spelling)
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Jun 09 21:05:04 <rjbs>	Anyone else see the new G5's?
Jun 09 21:05:14 <rjbs>	dual 2.5GHz G5's, liquid cooled.
Jun 09 21:05:18 <dann>	nope, been working outside all day.
Jun 09 21:05:26 <rjbs>	8GB RAM, other insanity.
Jun 09 21:05:35 <dann>	only $10,000, right?
Jun 09 21:05:40 <Patrick>	eff apple!
Jun 09 21:05:41 <rjbs>	with 8gb, sure.
Jun 09 21:05:50 <Patrick>	steve jobs is a tool
Jun 09 21:06:08 <rjbs>	dann: $3k for stock dual 2.5
Jun 09 21:06:14 <Patrick>	and your first born!
Jun 09 21:06:25 <dann>	with 8gb ram?
Jun 09 21:06:32 <rjbs>	No, .5 GB in stock config.
Jun 09 21:06:48 <Patrick>	no enough
Jun 09 21:06:50 <rjbs>	add $4650 for 8gb.
Jun 09 21:06:52 <dann>	so when are you dropping mine off?
Jun 09 21:06:57 <rjbs>	dann: it's in the mail
Jun 09 21:07:22 <Patrick>	I'd rather build a smoking AMD box
Jun 09 21:07:57 <rjbs>	Patrick: Ok.
Jun 09 21:08:08 <Patrick>	dann, any tips on migrating to X11org?
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Jun 09 21:08:30 <Patrick>	It's basically XFree86, just forked right?
Jun 09 21:08:53 <dann>	yup, download the packages with swaret, remove all your old xfree packages, installpkg all the x11 packages.  Really easy.
Jun 09 21:09:39 <Patrick>	what about copying the config file?
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Jun 09 21:11:09 <dann>	nope.  You might wasn to save XF86Config for reference.  The config file is xorg.conf.  Same layour.
Jun 09 21:11:43 <dann>	I basically edited the xorg.conf file to match my XF86Config file and all was well with the world.  No problem installing the Nvidia Drivers either.
Jun 09 21:12:14 <Patrick>	cool
Jun 09 21:12:28 <Patrick>	I'll put it my list of things to do
Jun 09 21:12:56 <Patrick>	behind compiling 2.6.6 to add video4linux
Jun 09 21:13:00 <dann>	You should do it right now!
Jun 09 21:13:20 *	rjbs is still on 2.4.19 :-/
Jun 09 21:13:39 <dann>	Arrgh!  I forget to check out the kernel pages.  2.6.6 is out!
Jun 09 21:14:42 <Patrick>	I also need to add DMA support for my hard drives
Jun 09 21:15:19 <Patrick>	and then compile and install ivtv driver for hauppauge 250/350 cards
Jun 09 21:15:38 <Patrick>	then install mythtv, oh man I gotta get going :)
Jun 09 21:17:03 <Patrick>	I'll compile the kernel tonight
Jun 09 21:20:19 <Brian>	hmmm. i think i left something on the stove....
Jun 09 21:20:21 <pablo7>	got shorts?
Jun 09 21:21:08 <linc>	shorts it is!  you win the cookie :-)
Jun 09 21:24:37 <pablo7>	mmm... i like cookies.
Jun 09 21:26:13 <Patrick>	i got one of those
Jun 09 21:26:22 <Patrick>	cd holds 10 hours of music
Jun 09 21:26:39 <Patrick>	$40 for the CD player, $250 for the ipod
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Jun 09 21:28:44 <linc>	http://members.rogers.com/bosinc/derelict/
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Jun 09 21:29:41 <Jamesl>	I downloaded those mp3 after last weeks show. Great music.
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Jun 09 21:30:19 <pablo7>	yea, play anything but the stallman fsf anthem.
Jun 09 21:30:53 <Jamesl>	haha, unfortunately I've heard that one too.
Jun 09 21:31:12 <Patrick>	friggen pinko! :) RMS
Jun 09 21:32:35 <Patrick>	that's terrible dan :(
Jun 09 21:32:41 <Brian>	yuckl
Jun 09 21:32:48 <Brian>	yuck*
Jun 09 21:33:01 <pablo7>	oooooh. please don't go there.
Jun 09 21:33:31 <Brian>	the worst is a hairy roommate. the shower just gets so gross.
Jun 09 21:34:20 <Brian>	bacon strips
Jun 09 21:34:32 <dann>	wrap that around your cigarette linc.
Jun 09 21:34:35 <Jamesl>	No pants, and you top it off with nasty underwear talk. Gotta love this show.
Jun 09 21:35:40 <Patrick>	skidmarks
Jun 09 21:36:31 <allan>	Dann needs this - http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news/funny/toilet/
Jun 09 21:37:37 <Brian>	that's just decadent
Jun 09 21:38:44 <dann>	I'm setting up a paypal donation account on my home page.  Donate so I can afford this luxury toilet and spare everyone any further horror stories about my underwear.
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Jun 09 21:41:45 <graeme64>	Hey what was that song called again? :)
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Jun 09 21:43:13 <dann>	emenation by derelict
Jun 09 21:43:21 <dann>	you heard it on the linux link tech show.
Jun 09 21:43:28 <dann>	cause you're listening to the linux link tech show.
Jun 09 21:43:38 <dann>	Right now it is the linux link tech show you are listening too.
Jun 09 21:43:40 <Jamesl>	What's the show called again?
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Jun 09 21:43:54 <dann>	That was emenation by derelict.  It was played on the break of the linux link tech show.
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Jun 09 21:46:47 <Brian>	fedora core 2 bah
Jun 09 21:47:01 <Brian>	didn't like my hardware
Jun 09 21:47:28 <Brian>	any of the four video cards I tried
Jun 09 21:48:16 <graeme64>	Fedora needs major amount of memory for a gui install - about 192Mb I think
Jun 09 21:48:31 <Brian>	have 256
Jun 09 21:48:33 <graeme64>	I can't get it on my laptop for that reason
Jun 09 21:48:38 <USSROVER>	Brian Fedora found all my equipment I have on my system  no problem  ( but I'm running older equipment)
Jun 09 21:48:44 <Jamesl>	192MB? I hope that was a typo.
Jun 09 21:48:44 <Patrick>	the last RH I installed was 6.1
Jun 09 21:48:48 <linc>	You all want to use SLACKWARE!
Jun 09 21:48:55 <Brian>	mine's older too
Jun 09 21:48:56 <linc>	Fedora is for woosies!
Jun 09 21:49:04 <Patrick>	what's the deal with the phone hybrid??
Jun 09 21:49:20 <Jamesl>	How can a gui install use that much memory? That's totally unacceptable.
Jun 09 21:49:31 <graeme64>	I just did a ftp install of SUSE 9.1 onto my laptop - took about 12 hours to complete!
Jun 09 21:49:31 <linc>	We're waiting for Mark to finish the hybrid.
Jun 09 21:49:51 <graeme64>	I think RedHat 9.1 was the same
Jun 09 21:50:06 <Patrick>	12 hours? If you installed Gentoo I'd be done compiling the base system by Sunday :)
Jun 09 21:50:08 <graeme64>	.. 192Mb install i mean
Jun 09 21:50:14 <Brian>	it was the same machine/hardware than ran fc2 too
Jun 09 21:50:20 <Brian>	fc1 I mean
Jun 09 21:50:35 <graeme64>	I nearly melted my laptop installing Gentoo - over 7 days!
Jun 09 21:50:54 <Patrick>	my 800mhz took about 3 days
Jun 09 21:51:21 <Jamesl>	Well I can seriously doubt 192MB of memory used. I think someone would notice something is seriously wrong there.
Jun 09 21:51:26 <graeme64>	Ancient HP Omnibook - 500MHz K^-II Proc
Jun 09 21:51:30 <Brian>	i keep losing the stream. anyone else having the same problem>
Jun 09 21:51:33 <Brian>	"?
Jun 09 21:51:51 <USSROVER>	no  what player are you using ???
Jun 09 21:51:56 <Brian>	xmms
Jun 09 21:52:12 <Brian>	but, it could me me. I'm on a wireless laptop
Jun 09 21:52:20 <USSROVER>	on a windows machine  using  WinAMP   solid here
Jun 09 21:52:52 <Patrick>	winamp is similar to xmms
Jun 09 21:53:03 <Patrick>	it has video support but it's not that great
Jun 09 21:53:06 <dann>	you have a cable modem brian?
Jun 09 21:53:11 <Brian>	probably me then
Jun 09 21:53:21 <Brian>	cable, yes
Jun 09 21:53:54 <Jamesl>	Working fine on my crap dialup.
Jun 09 21:53:55 <dann>	That seems to have an impact, cable isp.  Why?  I do not know, but other shows have reported this too.
Jun 09 21:55:14 <graeme64>	Jamesl check out http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/  for installation memory requirements for Fedora Core 2 - interesting!
Jun 09 21:55:16 <Brian>	never had a problem before. Now that it;s warm I usually sit on my porch with my laptop and listen
Jun 09 21:55:38 <Patrick>	that's because cable bandwidth decrease as more users in your neighborhood sign on
Jun 09 21:56:02 <Patrick>	or apple
Jun 09 21:56:04 <Brian>	 I know that. 
Jun 09 21:56:48 <Brian>	dunno how many people have it near me
Jun 09 21:57:22 <Patrick>	anyone try those old school game controllers/joysticks with atari2600 games?
Jun 09 21:57:34 <Patrick>	you just plug it into the tv and play
Jun 09 21:57:49 <dann>	yup, I have the pacman one with digdug and rallyx
Jun 09 21:57:59 <Patrick>	any good?
Jun 09 21:58:15 <Patrick>	those the joystick break after a month like the old atari joysticks?
Jun 09 21:58:34 <dann>	Digdug is a bit borked, only has one level.  Other than that it is great.  The only downside is that you can get all this through mame.
Jun 09 21:58:45 <dann>	Maybe not legally, but you can still get them.
Jun 09 21:59:13 <Patrick>	It's kinda cool to play it through the tv
Jun 09 21:59:20 <dann>	The one I have is the Namco games, not the 2600.  They are the arcade versions.
Jun 09 21:59:31 <dann>	Oh yeah, it is.  
Jun 09 21:59:33 <Patrick>	what does have 5 games?
Jun 09 22:00:03 <dann>	Pacman, Rally-X, DigDug, Galaga, and Bosonian.
Jun 09 22:00:12 <Patrick>	cool galaga
Jun 09 22:00:46 <Patrick>	it took me 4 hours to get my hauppauge card going in win98
Jun 09 22:00:59 <Patrick>	gonna try it in linux soon
Jun 09 22:01:00 <dann>	did it work then?
Jun 09 22:01:18 <dann>	Linux will take you 8 hours, right?  What's the chipset?  BT878?
Jun 09 22:01:20 <Jamesl>	It's an old OS, I wouldn't expect miracles.
Jun 09 22:01:21 <dann>	No problem.
Jun 09 22:01:28 <Patrick>	yes it works, i had download all the latest versions of the drivers and apps
Jun 09 22:01:40 <Patrick>	the card is the newe chipset supported by the ivtv driver
Jun 09 22:01:52 <Patrick>	supposedly it works
Jun 09 22:02:00 <Patrick>	I'll let you know how it goes
Jun 09 22:04:56 <Patrick>	no f bomb!
Jun 09 22:05:06 <Patrick>	nice and smelly
Jun 09 22:05:59 <dann>	delicious
Jun 09 22:06:32 <Patrick>	nooooo
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Jun 09 22:08:07 <Patrick>	good night gents
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Jun 09 22:08:20 <dann>	thank you for your support!
Jun 09 22:08:30 <allan>	Thanks for listening
Jun 09 22:08:38 <graeme64>	bye guys
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Jun 09 22:09:21 <linc>	Gnight everyone!
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