**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 14 20:30:17 2004 Jul 14 20:30:17 --> You are now talking on #techshow Jul 14 20:30:17 --- Topic for #techshow is We have always been at war with Eastasia. Jul 14 20:30:17 --- Topic for #techshow set by rjbs at Mon Jul 12 09:18:07 Jul 14 20:30:23 --- You are now known as linc Jul 14 20:30:30 did y'all listen to the linux show last night? that was quite a juicy fight, imho. Jul 14 20:30:42 Oh, do tell! Jul 14 20:31:07 you didn't listen to ken brown get clobbered? Jul 14 20:31:28 nope :-) Jul 14 20:31:53 listen to it. it's great. i couldn't believe he agreed to be on the show. Jul 14 20:32:08 <-- possum has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) Jul 14 20:32:45 --> kyle (~kyle@adsl-64-168-102-47.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) has joined #techshow Jul 14 20:33:34 --> possum (~dann@192.168.0.145) has joined #techshow Jul 14 20:33:49 <-- bankrupt has quit (Leaving) Jul 14 20:34:50 testing 1 2 3... anyone hear me? Jul 14 20:35:17 he got caught off-guard twice. Jul 14 20:35:17 first when they asked ken about commoditization. Jul 14 20:35:17 second when he said he'd talk to anyone about the book, and eric mentioned an email ken sent him that said he wouldn't discuss it. Jul 14 20:35:21 --- [dann] is away (pimpin') Jul 14 20:37:43 --> allan (1000@192.168.0.190) has joined #techshow Jul 14 20:47:29 --> graeme64 (~graeme@82-40-59-200.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #techshow Jul 14 20:55:49 anyone actually listening to thestream yet? Jul 14 20:55:55 i am Jul 14 20:55:57 hello Jul 14 20:56:00 yup Jul 14 20:56:09 me 2 Jul 14 20:57:07 <-- brian has quit (Leaving) Jul 14 20:58:08 --> Patrick (~Patrick@24.229.75.183) has joined #techshow Jul 14 20:58:15 howdy Jul 14 20:59:50 nice topics Jul 14 20:59:54 haha Jul 14 21:00:08 We aim to please. Jul 14 21:00:20 --> brian (~brian@216-15-73-180.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #Techshow Jul 14 21:00:31 anyone hear Eric Raymond blow a valve last night? Jul 14 21:00:37 yes Jul 14 21:00:43 no Jul 14 21:00:44 that was a great show. Jul 14 21:00:47 no Jul 14 21:00:56 but that is why they make archives Jul 14 21:01:06 eric pinned ken brown well. Jul 14 21:01:09 <-- rignes has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) Jul 14 21:01:17 --> bankrupt (~bankrupt@pcp08698281pcs.500ash01.tn.comcast.net) has joined #techshow Jul 14 21:01:18 They had Ken Brown on talking about closed source vs open source and copyrights Jul 14 21:01:27 --> rignes (~rignes@0020ED20EC45.msns.sm.ptd.net) has joined #techshow Jul 14 21:03:19 anyone read this rant: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html Jul 14 21:03:33 basically says ASUS is anti-linux Jul 14 21:03:59 I hate those commercials Jul 14 21:04:15 try not to link to mozillaquest, please. they are mozilla trolls. Jul 14 21:04:16 very annoying Jul 14 21:04:41 those commercials yes. remember, even Winston Smith was allowed to smoke. Jul 14 21:04:50 what do you mean by mozilla trolls? Jul 14 21:05:11 whose winston smith Jul 14 21:05:28 1984: main character Jul 14 21:05:37 I've never had any problems with ASUS motherboards with linux in the past Jul 14 21:05:41 they got a bunch of people angry with their misleading articles about mozilla. Jul 14 21:05:50 anti or pro? Jul 14 21:05:52 should finally read that book Jul 14 21:06:21 they were always obsessed that bugzilla had so many open bugs. anti Jul 14 21:06:42 in fact, our channel topic is straight from that book Jul 14 21:06:44 thats the first time I've even read anything on that site Jul 14 21:07:13 they may post a few good articles sometimes, but i'd change the name if i was them. Jul 14 21:10:48 man it keeps on droping Jul 14 21:11:46 anyone else having that problem Jul 14 21:11:47 EastAsia or Eurasia Jul 14 21:12:06 not me, but i got a loud beep a sec ago. Jul 14 21:12:15 you mean the stream? I'm not having any problems Jul 14 21:12:32 I lost it twice Jul 14 21:14:09 it seems the volume drops occassionally Jul 14 21:14:47 linc you need less sunlight and more alcohol! Jul 14 21:15:46 yes! Jul 14 21:15:52 a small room is ok as long as no one is ripping farts! Jul 14 21:16:36 Dan, stay away from the cabbage and guiness Jul 14 21:16:41 That is a hazard here with dann Jul 14 21:16:43 Patrick: Are you talking about playing sounds on your PC and the sound kind of fades to a lower volume then back up every once in a while? Jul 14 21:17:10 yes Jul 14 21:17:18 3 parts, oh man Jul 14 21:17:34 Hmmm, I've had the same thing for a long time and never really found out what caused it. Jul 14 21:17:57 It happens like mad for a few days, then I don't have it happen for weeks on end. Very intermitent. Jul 14 21:17:57 the answer is: drop IE Jul 14 21:18:05 I already have. Jul 14 21:18:06 probably ALSA! Jul 14 21:18:19 whenever a sound issue pops up blame alsa Jul 14 21:18:23 I think it did it in OSS too. Jul 14 21:18:40 Wait, I think I said that wrong. Jul 14 21:18:45 Another Lousy Sound Architecture Jul 14 21:18:46 lost stream again Jul 14 21:19:11 But mine isn't with just a stream, it happens even playing local mp3 and oggs. So I don't know. I just live with it. Jul 14 21:19:15 well alsa works berrer for me than the 97' driver Jul 14 21:19:27 ALSA is a little buggy but all the new audio apps require it Jul 14 21:20:48 I'm sure it will get better Jul 14 21:20:49 on one of my computers, alsa doesn't click with the ess 1938 like oss does. so i like it. Jul 14 21:21:46 minute plus delay in network situation suggests DNS resolution issue? Jul 14 21:22:10 so are they going to try Skype call-in Jul 14 21:23:22 I don't know if they bring the skyp audio into the audio stream for the show? Jul 14 21:24:09 I have skype running in the background right now Jul 14 21:24:31 me too Jul 14 21:24:40 what's your ID Jul 14 21:25:05 bankrupt_ Jul 14 21:25:40 mines hackmeister Jul 14 21:25:50 I see you dude Jul 14 21:26:37 I'm ringing you Jul 14 21:27:07 <-- rignes has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) Jul 14 21:28:18 wierd firewall might be blocking Jul 14 21:28:43 what port does it use Jul 14 21:28:46 not able to pick up? Jul 14 21:28:51 yea Jul 14 21:29:16 could be permission issues with the sound card device files. Jul 14 21:30:34 mm i thouht that might be the problem Jul 14 21:31:06 have you not successfully used it before Jul 14 21:31:33 --> rignes (~rignes@0020ED20EC45.msns.sm.ptd.net) has joined #techshow Jul 14 21:31:43 in windows, i have used it a few times Jul 14 21:32:13 That was strange, my system just showdown right in front of my. Just like someone hanked the power cord. Jul 14 21:32:36 bankrupt, did you chmod 666 /dev/dsp ? Jul 14 21:33:23 well i am not at home, im at a friend running knoppix Jul 14 21:34:00 double check for alsa, dsp is oss. then you need to check the perms on /dev/snd/* Jul 14 21:34:01 well i just did that Jul 14 21:34:25 you may have oss compatibility, but you still need to have the proper rights on the alsa devs Jul 14 21:34:36 --> pablo7 (~paul@68.223.70.128) has joined #techshow Jul 14 21:37:13 wine in a box Jul 14 21:37:57 and horseshit cigars Jul 14 21:38:13 http://www.realbeer.com/edu/kegerator/ Jul 14 21:38:24 stella artois!!! Jul 14 21:38:51 we gotta on a road trip to this Belgian beer place in Philly Jul 14 21:38:58 Let me find the link Jul 14 21:39:29 http://www.monkscafe.com/ Jul 14 21:39:45 that place has an awesome beer selection Jul 14 21:40:03 are there any local places with microbrew? Jul 14 21:40:29 that place is expensive Jul 14 21:40:34 their prices suck! Jul 14 21:40:44 they are open on Sundays though Jul 14 21:41:27 stupid blue laws Jul 14 21:41:46 it's gotta be a loophole Jul 14 21:41:53 when I was in Pittsburgh we had to drive WV once on a Sunday to buy three kegs of beer Jul 14 21:42:34 <-- schalgel- has quit (Leaving) Jul 14 21:42:48 linc, I went to a wedding in Saratoga Springs last weekend, Stewarts! Jul 14 21:43:04 http://www.snopes.com/college/halls/brothel.asp Jul 14 21:43:40 quite graphics Jul 14 21:43:49 coors lite- uggggh Jul 14 21:44:19 I'm almost 35, quality over quantity, I'm not 18 any more! Jul 14 21:44:56 the beer link appreciation show! Jul 14 21:44:58 Bleh 5 friggin' hours debugging USB Jul 14 21:45:35 do i need to have the kernel source to run/compile linux-wlan-ng Jul 14 21:45:46 i just got dwl-122 Jul 14 21:46:17 I'm trying to remember. On the machines that I have compiled wlan-ng I did have the kernel sources. Jul 14 21:46:38 but I have the kernel sources on all my machines. Jul 14 21:46:49 it would be a safe bet. Jul 14 21:47:00 possum: You ever get that QT problem fixed on Gentoo? Jul 14 21:47:20 well then i have to use the debs Jul 14 21:48:24 no I have not yet. Kind of let it go by the wayside for now. Jul 14 21:48:40 ill try USE="usb -pci" emerge linux-wlan-ng later on gentoo then Jul 14 21:49:23 I forgot to add the USE="usb -pci" on mine and then when it did not work right compiled the driver myself Jul 14 21:50:29 possum: The best cure is to emerge gnome ;oD Jul 14 21:51:39 more cables!! Jul 14 21:52:22 Wrestling table, $25 at Walmart Jul 14 21:52:38 the rat nest Jul 14 21:52:48 RuRow! The regex presentation link on the site is dead. Jul 14 21:53:52 how about when pull something apart, put it back together and have extra pieces!! Jul 14 21:54:01 not generally good Jul 14 21:54:13 RSS feeder Jul 14 21:54:23 I have it running, it's useful Jul 14 21:54:24 http://sage.mozdev.org/ Jul 14 21:54:50 iv bin ussing rrs to chatch up on some tv shows along with torrent Jul 14 21:54:52 fixed now. Jul 14 21:55:00 rss* Jul 14 21:55:02 where's the lug meeting mp3 file? I couldn't make it last nigt Jul 14 21:55:09 --> schalgel- (~schlagel-@c24.179.201.213.dul.mn.charter.com) has joined #techshow Jul 14 21:56:06 I used Allan streaming webserver guide, it worked Jul 14 21:56:30 Cool, Glad it worked for you. Jul 14 21:57:10 man i sould have not done 'modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1' it crashed my laptop Jul 14 21:59:02 that sucks Jul 14 21:59:06 <-- graeme64 has quit (Leaving) Jul 14 22:02:44 moof. Jul 14 22:03:00 http://home.kcore.de/~kiza/software/snownews/ Jul 14 22:04:29 rjbs: What is RSS? Jul 14 22:04:56 RSS is Rich Site Summary Jul 14 22:05:06 RSS is also Really Simple Syndication Jul 14 22:05:08 okay, rjbs. Jul 14 22:05:36 RSS is also format used to describe the contents of a site, basically as a list of articles with headlines, summary, and a link to the full text Jul 14 22:05:38 okay, rjbs. Jul 14 22:05:48 penfold: RSS =~ s/format/a format/ Jul 14 22:05:50 OK, rjbs Jul 14 22:05:52 So, one uses it to get a quick and dirty summary of a site. Jul 14 22:06:04 No, a quick and /clean/ summary. Jul 14 22:06:05 skype tonight? Jul 14 22:06:06 That sounds cool, never used one. Jul 14 22:06:19 RSS won't contain ads, sidebars, Flash, stupid navigation links. Jul 14 22:06:23 It's Just The News. Jul 14 22:06:27 I think I'll check it out. Do many site support it? Jul 14 22:06:30 Yes. Jul 14 22:06:39 Cool. Jul 14 22:06:40 I basically only read sites that do. Jul 14 22:06:47 Because I get all my news via RSS aggregation. Jul 14 22:06:51 Saves me hours per week. Jul 14 22:07:07 /etc/init.d/wlan restart caused no problems though Jul 14 22:07:20 What RSS aggregator do you use? I presume moof is the name you mentioned just before? Jul 14 22:07:24 I got aMule running Jul 14 22:07:26 RSS aggregator is a tool that retrieves a number of RSS feeds and organizes them for viewing all at once, or based on grouping, logic, etc. Jul 14 22:07:28 just installed it Jul 14 22:08:05 i've got a web server, how much bandwith will it take Jul 14 22:08:14 ??? Jul 14 22:08:30 33 megs Jul 14 22:08:44 donno about bwidth - depends on who wants to dl it.. Jul 14 22:08:47 need a big pipe. Jul 14 22:08:58 all depends on how many people hit it at the same time. Jul 14 22:09:03 pablo7: That sounds like a personal problem. Jul 14 22:09:16 i could host it, till my bandwith is used Jul 14 22:09:31 rjbs: your right bellsouth sucks. Jul 14 22:09:55 just use azureus tracker on the server Jul 14 22:10:29 just use freecache. Jul 14 22:10:41 http://www.archive.org/web/freecache.php Jul 14 22:10:41 WHile searching for an RSS aggregator on freshmeat I just came across a cool looking console IM client. Jul 14 22:11:02 i use naim Jul 14 22:11:13 http://freshmeat.net/projects/centericq/ Jul 14 22:11:31 good night Jul 14 22:11:33 <-- Patrick has quit (Leaving) Jul 14 22:11:38 I've been using GAIM but that isn't any good if I ssh in. Jul 14 22:12:04 What IM protocols does naim support? Or I coould just google for naim and find out for myself... Jul 14 22:12:44 Thanks for listening Jul 14 22:12:50 <-- allan has quit (Leaving) Jul 14 22:13:19 aim Jul 14 22:13:29 I just found it on freshmeat. Jul 14 22:13:40 * pablo7 #part shows over. Jul 14 22:13:45 gnight all! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 14 22:13:54 2004