**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 21 20:28:05 2004 Jul 21 20:28:05 --> You are now talking on #techshow Jul 21 20:28:05 --- Topic for #techshow is We have always been at war with Eastasia. Jul 21 20:28:05 --- Topic for #techshow set by rjbs at Mon Jul 12 09:18:07 Jul 21 20:28:19 --> possum (~dann@192.168.0.145) has joined #techshow Jul 21 20:28:41 look, linc is on twice and neither one is away. How can he be in two places at once? Jul 21 20:28:43 hmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 21 20:30:37 I'm really goo, thats how.. Jul 21 20:30:40 --> Paladin (~paladin@209.222.26.16) has joined #techshow Jul 21 20:30:44 goo=good :-) Jul 21 20:30:53 w00t! :) Jul 21 20:49:52 --> Patrick (~Patrick@24.229.204.67) has joined #techshow Jul 21 20:52:18 --> Jamesl (~none@DIALUP-151-121.TNKNO2.USIT.NET) has joined #techshow Jul 21 20:57:59 <-- dann has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Jul 21 20:58:26 --> graeme64 (~graeme@82-40-59-200.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #techshow Jul 21 20:58:49 good evening folks! Jul 21 20:59:08 How-deee! Jul 21 20:59:26 it's shoowtime! Jul 21 20:59:51 --> michele (~michele@pool-151-197-190-113.phil.east.verizon.net) has joined #techshow Jul 21 21:00:12 drums in the background? Jul 21 21:00:25 i hear linc but no one else Jul 21 21:00:27 we hear you linc Jul 21 21:00:32 can onl hear lic on air Jul 21 21:01:14 what is this the linux show?! Jul 21 21:01:56 Just tell them to talk louder. They can be heard in the background. Jul 21 21:02:00 :) Jul 21 21:02:14 so, sco lost its first case! Jul 21 21:02:22 hopefully more to come! Jul 21 21:02:44 a little feedback Jul 21 21:02:46 i can hear linc echo Jul 21 21:03:06 I hear that sometimes happens when using skype with the speakers Jul 21 21:03:09 not bad Jul 21 21:03:16 kinda loud here Jul 21 21:03:25 yup Jul 21 21:03:25 Not too bad Jul 21 21:03:29 I see you guys logged on to skype Jul 21 21:03:30 i'll just turn speakers down Jul 21 21:03:35 you sound fine Jul 21 21:03:59 nice feedback Jul 21 21:04:05 --> slackmac (~slackmac@dsl092-238-179.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #techshow Jul 21 21:04:18 we hear Inga from skype Jul 21 21:04:24 Yes, she can be heard Jul 21 21:04:29 talk about outsourcing Jul 21 21:04:30 Dan is breaking up Jul 21 21:04:33 distorted Jul 21 21:05:10 Dan is really low Jul 21 21:05:27 ouch Jul 21 21:06:14 Oh well, gotta have some bugs to work out. Jul 21 21:06:25 yup Jul 21 21:06:25 something to play with later I guess.. Jul 21 21:06:43 Let me know if you need help testing Jul 21 21:07:20 --> RoverVAIO (~sorry_n@207.108.36.118) has joined #techshow Jul 21 21:07:22 here we go..................! Jul 21 21:07:22 --> allan (1000@192.168.0.190) has joined #techshow Jul 21 21:07:41 Sorry for the delay Jul 21 21:07:53 yuck I think my cat p'd on my laptop bag Jul 21 21:07:59 finally Jul 21 21:08:39 brian shoot the cat lol Jul 21 21:08:44 Take pictures and send them to Dann. He can post them with the frankenstein pics. Jul 21 21:08:50 my wife might Jul 21 21:08:58 luckily, the laptop was not it Jul 21 21:10:45 in it * Jul 21 21:11:19 ipod, nice Jul 21 21:13:29 coors sucks Jul 21 21:13:34 coors light bah Jul 21 21:13:43 coors light, chick beer Jul 21 21:13:51 coors = wet air Jul 21 21:14:04 dakota kicks!! Jul 21 21:14:44 Guinness (Vitamin G!) Jul 21 21:15:03 maddog 20/20 Jul 21 21:15:07 Guinness is awesome Jul 21 21:15:11 Blatz Jul 21 21:15:18 natty bo! Jul 21 21:15:21 Golden Annie Jul 21 21:15:23 schlitz Jul 21 21:15:30 we gotta organize a trip to that Belgian beer place in Philly Jul 21 21:15:36 It could get messy Jul 21 21:15:45 I heard that place is awesome Jul 21 21:16:40 http://www.monkscafe.com/ Jul 21 21:19:34 exdaix, how ya doin? Jul 21 21:19:36 you still there Jul 21 21:20:43 http://www.legacybrewing.com (Reading) Jul 21 21:22:02 that place looks decent Jul 21 21:22:17 Is it better than the Bethlehem brew works? Jul 21 21:22:57 http://www.computertraining.com Jul 21 21:23:07 legacy's actually just a brewery...BBW is the food & brew deal - I like BBW a lot Jul 21 21:23:42 we should have a get together there soon Jul 21 21:24:14 oh sorry - they (LB) are just getting a rest off the ground...pretty recent development Jul 21 21:26:02 power off Jul 21 21:26:08 -- Jul 21 21:26:10 format c: Jul 21 21:26:31 throw computer up against wall Jul 21 21:26:38 deltree C:\*.* Jul 21 21:26:50 dial up Jul 21 21:27:05 9600 baud Jul 21 21:27:45 not use windows Jul 21 21:27:52 never turn it on Jul 21 21:28:38 is that sounds i want to change or sounds computer is making?? Jul 21 21:29:55 gotta be ZIP disk 'cause ZIP means sero Jul 21 21:30:00 zero* Jul 21 21:30:19 too many and not enough pay Jul 21 21:31:35 how about go into file box and get folder from there instead of on computer Jul 21 21:33:15 one of the choices should be sasser or netsky Jul 21 21:33:51 where the hell are they getting theie data Jul 21 21:33:57 (their) Jul 21 21:34:14 Hopefully not the latest MCSE tests Jul 21 21:34:15 call linc and have him fix it Jul 21 21:34:26 yeah, true where...Bangledesh ? Jul 21 21:35:22 will be listening to show have to work on file Jul 21 21:35:31 later everyone Jul 21 21:35:45 <-- RoverVAIO (~sorry_n@207.108.36.118) has left #techshow Jul 21 21:36:03 0, we'll all be outta work by then and poor Jul 21 21:37:13 .*pif too Jul 21 21:37:18 too much Jul 21 21:37:20 45K Jul 21 21:37:54 IIS? Jul 21 21:38:12 moving all around the screen Jul 21 21:38:20 of course when clicking on them Jul 21 21:38:32 http://salary.com was running unknown on Windows 2000 when last queried at 20-Jul-2004 23:19:01 GMT - refresh now Jul 21 21:38:52 Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Jul 21 21:39:19 http://computertraining.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 22-Jul-2004 01:40:16 GMT - refresh now Jul 21 21:39:22 ha! Jul 21 21:39:28 using windows or any microsoft product Jul 21 21:39:41 Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) PHP/4.3.4 mod_ssl/2.8.18 OpenSSL/0.9.7d Jul 21 21:40:15 poor Jul 21 21:40:47 microsoft is running apache on linux and freebsd Jul 21 21:41:08 http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.microfsoft.com Jul 21 21:41:34 microfsoft? Jul 21 21:42:31 i can use it to wipe my butt Jul 21 21:42:58 one of those microsoft knock off sites :) Jul 21 21:43:46 XP rulez! Jul 21 21:43:54 not Jul 21 21:44:04 my family cant even work the vcr Jul 21 21:44:06 Maybe they'll get goodies from Microsoft in exchange for their site address. Jul 21 21:44:32 yeah. a free copy of SP2 Jul 21 21:44:57 whcih I read is going to break everything Jul 21 21:45:13 helping others ruin their computers Jul 21 21:45:30 so i culd rule the world instead of bill gates Jul 21 21:46:22 You are no doubt still qualified to give them gobs of money. Jul 21 21:46:27 I gotta get my wife on Linux. Her W98 machine keeps crashing while my Linux and FreeBSD machines hum along Jul 21 21:47:28 I played it on the knoppix cd. It's very addictive. Jul 21 21:48:07 thinktanks is really cool Jul 21 21:48:17 has anyone tried the demo? Jul 21 21:48:47 tnt2 riva, I have the same card, top of the line 5 years ago! Jul 21 21:49:39 gltron is good Jul 21 21:49:46 Chromium is very fun indeed! Jul 21 21:49:52 nice gl graphics, just like the movie Jul 21 21:49:57 <-- graeme64 has quit (Leaving) Jul 21 21:50:08 http://www.reptilelabour.com/software/chromium/ Jul 21 21:50:21 I was thinking of paying for the full version of thinktanks Jul 21 21:50:35 Scorch3D is very very cool if you have OpenGL acceleration Jul 21 21:50:46 <-- Exdaix has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) Jul 21 21:50:48 whats the link for scorch Jul 21 21:51:41 yup Jul 21 21:51:47 http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/ Jul 21 21:51:54 Scorched3D Jul 21 21:51:56 started mandrake did like it. Jul 21 21:52:19 looks cool, I will definitely try it Jul 21 21:52:37 "to an extent"? Gentoo Portage has total package dependency checking Jul 21 21:52:49 including removal of packages, which is nice Jul 21 21:52:57 i love portage Jul 21 21:53:16 I had gentoo running about 1.5 years ago Jul 21 21:53:18 Andrew: I totally agree. Jul 21 21:53:34 That's the advantage of Gentoo Portage, you can only compile the stuff in you want. Jul 21 21:53:42 It's all done via the USE flags in make.conf Jul 21 21:53:43 I did a total upgrade and my init scripts got totally hosed Jul 21 21:54:00 I can do -kde and -arts and then it doesn't get compiled with that cruft. Jul 21 21:54:01 I also got tired of compiling on my 800mhz machine :) Jul 21 21:54:20 <-- Jamesl has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) Jul 21 21:54:21 I might have to try on my next system (64-bit) Jul 21 21:55:01 Slack is not on AMD64 yet :( Jul 21 21:55:33 you should be able to emerge without checking dependicys Jul 21 21:55:35 apt-get works well Jul 21 21:55:45 USE flags in make.conf allow you to do exactly what you guys are talking about Jul 21 21:55:54 it's the advantage of Portage over the other ones Jul 21 21:56:53 upgrading on Debian was pretty easy Jul 21 21:57:05 I've never had dependency issues on Debian, including updates and such. Jul 21 21:57:12 I used to run unstable and you wouldnt get dependency issues Jul 21 21:57:51 red hat was the worse! Jul 21 21:58:02 RedHat was horrible for dependencies Jul 21 21:58:35 Supposedly Mandrake's urpmi fixes some of RPM's braindeadness, but I haven't tried it. Jul 21 21:59:35 Gentoo Portage applies any necessary patches to the source before compile time as well. Jul 21 22:00:35 swaret addresses the only weakness slack had, easy upgrades Jul 21 22:00:38 yes it does. It's pretty much just like netbsd. Jul 21 22:00:49 portage is great for makin bleeding edge ez Jul 21 22:00:50 I'm happy Jul 21 22:01:22 Yeah, Portage is just the *BSD Ports system, rewritten in Python, with some cool stuff added. Jul 21 22:01:24 But it's very very very similar. Jul 21 22:02:12 I remember that piece of shit Jul 21 22:02:23 me too linc Jul 21 22:02:42 WTF were they thinking? Jul 21 22:03:05 they were thinking, f yall, one day we are going to dump you desktop users anyway. Jul 21 22:03:48 if you use distcc you can make compiling go quite fast Jul 21 22:03:52 for a stage 1 Jul 21 22:04:50 how about them apples: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1625974,00.asp Jul 21 22:05:16 spot on Dan ! Jul 21 22:05:51 BTW, you can install via the Gentoo Reference Platform (GRP) and it's basically all precompiled stuff. Jul 21 22:06:02 That's super quick. Jul 21 22:06:36 .... Or I want to run Far Cry and Jedi Knight :) Jul 21 22:06:55 i agree i want half-life 2 Jul 21 22:06:57 they're upgrading to WinXP at work, ugh! Jul 21 22:07:24 i think jedi knight runs in wine Jul 21 22:07:31 We upgraded to XP at work. I figure, at least it's better than Win98 which is what we used to be forced to run. Gah! :) Jul 21 22:07:43 I sent a rant about M$ at work, my boss was include (senior VP on technology side) Jul 21 22:07:47 Andrew: I'm pretty sure it does actually. Jul 21 22:09:06 --> Exdaix (~Exdaix@pcp04980496pcs.frncna01.pa.comcast.net) has joined #techshow Jul 21 22:09:19 good for you Allan, F*** IE! Jul 21 22:09:22 I have the wife and kid (11 yrs) old completely on Linux - he's (the 11yr old) still bitching about his Age of Empires, but... Jul 21 22:09:25 i run half-life/counter-strike in wine. i get 50-70 fps at 1024-768 perfect Jul 21 22:09:30 Heh, Firefox does rock the house Jul 21 22:09:54 anone have luck w/AOE via WineX/cedaga ? Jul 21 22:10:00 even the M$ diehards admit that Paladin! Jul 21 22:10:26 Andrew_...not bad, not bad... (50-70fps)... Jul 21 22:10:30 Starting with FF 0.7, I stopped using IE entirely. It absolutely rules. Jul 21 22:11:14 so, what's everyone's fave Firefox extension ? - there's a whole tech show right there ! Jul 21 22:11:15 I never started using IE Jul 21 22:11:28 tinyurl Jul 21 22:11:29 FF extensions abs. rock ! Jul 21 22:11:41 flash blocker, ad blocker Jul 21 22:11:50 slackmac: I had one that did W3C/CSS validation in one click. Jul 21 22:11:50 adblock, yea !!! Jul 21 22:11:57 Sage Jul 21 22:12:04 web developer toolbar Jul 21 22:12:17 wd is also cool ! Jul 21 22:12:25 sage is good, first thing in a morning at work, fire it up check out my fav's in 10 seconds! Jul 21 22:12:55 wd? Jul 21 22:12:58 i heard wd was cool ! Jul 21 22:13:00 and check out gestures...I sorta did not like 'em at first, but man I starting to get the hang of 'em... Jul 21 22:13:26 (I'm) Jul 21 22:15:31 I like Windows 2000. :) Jul 21 22:15:41 gestures inteferred with right clicking for me. Jul 21 22:15:50 well, if Dell and HP would sell you a computer with no OS.... Jul 21 22:15:53 But then I like Linux too. :) Jul 21 22:15:57 single click is a godsend!! Jul 21 22:16:07 So I run both, tied together with Synergy. Jul 21 22:16:16 why do we need to double click?? Jul 21 22:16:52 Dell Dimension n2400...just bought 10 of them at work...no OS (they shipped FreeDOS with 'em)...$319 - 2.4Ghz/512MB/40GBHD and quiet as all get out... Jul 21 22:17:18 sound like the same machines we're getting at my job Jul 21 22:17:37 bring the mini disc recorder Jul 21 22:17:42 That's a sweet box for $319! Jul 21 22:18:01 slackmac: yes - but do they do that for the home user Jul 21 22:18:02 ? Jul 21 22:18:33 if they do they don't make that info. readily available Jul 21 22:18:35 g'night Jul 21 22:18:38 <-- Patrick has quit (Leaving) Jul 21 22:18:42 ordered from website, corp CC...don't see why not, but indeed, I don't know for abs. sure... Jul 21 22:18:51 after all, I can choose 'no monitor' why can't I choose no OS Jul 21 22:19:01 gotta go...it's been fun ! Jul 21 22:19:03 Good show tonight guys! And the stream was rock solid. Sounding good! Jul 21 22:19:04 <-- slackmac has quit (Leaving) Jul 21 22:19:09 later Jul 21 22:19:25 ditto. stream == no probs Jul 21 22:19:45 coolness Jul 21 22:20:01 thanks for listening Jul 21 22:20:21 Goodnight. Jul 21 22:20:28 <-- allan has quit (Leaving) Jul 21 22:20:50 more sound probs tonight :-) Whata pain! Jul 21 22:21:24 Gnight! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 21 22:21:28 2004