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> hello!
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> OK, here's a question for all you wonderful people who are paying attention...  What intermission song did we play last week?
> was it alderson, emenation, or the Fever?
<rjbs> nfi
<rjbs> :)
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<Jamesl> Can't remember. I'm thinking emenation.
<DaleMN> FEVER
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<init2null> hi all
* DaleMN hits the caps lock off and says in a normal voice "Fever"
<DaleMN> hi
> fever?  U sure?
<DaleMN> yup
> cool, thanks - tonight will be alderson then.. :-)
> didnt want to replay twice in a row :-)
<DaleMN> lol yw bbs all
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<Jamesl> Kill the power, stop the worms :)
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<init2null> isn't the 52nd show more significant? :)
<michele> i think you meant stay out wednesday night and take off thursday to recover
> yeah!
<michele> yes i found food woopee
> :-)
<init2null> well, if you install java, it would be fine.
<init2null> eww, it's only a nasty little rollover.
<init2null> anyone still using java rollovers should be punished.
<init2null> the banner is off the bottom, though.
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<rignes> Woo!  FInally got here, 30 mins late, but hey.
> hello there!
<rignes> ;)
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<rignes> rjbs: Didn't you do a vpn from linux to iqe at one point?
> ssh tunnel
<rjbs> no
<rjbs> but I'm told it's easy
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<rignes> Hehe Oh, at IQE they were pros at the arbitrary stupid decision.
<rignes> frozen-bubble!  Time to play....
<rjbs> woop
<dann> hugs and kisses all.
* brian is back from class
<Jamesl> What the heck was that?
<Jamesl> Dann's dad, mister fix it
<dann> you know it.
<dann> fixes it so good it don't come back 
<rignes> Heh with XP the first thing I do is take 10 minutes and turn off all the crap and change it to look like Win2k.
<Jamesl> Webshots
<dann> ain't that the truth.  
<Jamesl> Had to clean some recently. Mom went looking for a screensaver. Oh boy.
<rignes> Uhhh, you can disable all that wonderful stuff in AD.
<rignes> linc_: You mean they all have admin rights on their local systems?
> have to - need them to run some apps..
> not all have admin rights though :-)
> secretary can hardly log on :-)
<rignes> You can use runas in win2k and xp I think to run something under different credentials.
<rignes> sorta like sudo I guess.
<rjbs> rignes: we're putting perl msi in gpo for global deploy :)
> windows just sucks - I want to switch them all to unix so I can control what they can and cant do - definitively.
<rignes> rjbs: Really?  What are they going to use it for?
<rjbs> stuff
<rjbs> we have a lot of little tools written in perl now
<rjbs> most by calvin or mosteen
<rignes> Nice.
<rjbs> but I've got rod hacking in perl, too.
<rignes> I thought mosteen left iqe?
<rjbs> he did
<rjbs> but his tools remain
<rignes> snownews is good
<rjbs> they are powerful
<rignes> Oh. ;)
<rignes> How things for IQE?  Still crappy or things turning up?
<rjbs> a few good prospects.
<rjbs> apart from that, crappy.
<rignes> *shrugs*  Just curious if my handfull of underwater IQE stocks may be worth something one day. :P
<rjbs> what's their depth?
<rignes> Somewhere near the core of the planet I think.   Not 100% sure.
<rignes> Actually, technically, they aren't even underwater cuz I didn't pay for them.
<rignes> Not even sure just how many I have, all I know is that I have /some/.
<rignes> It's not confusing, they just don't want to share.
<rignes> Cuz companies are greedy bastards.
<Jamesl> And you don't even have to use the GPL
<init2null> umm, the fsf would disagree with you on that.
<init2null> that's what the lgpl is for.
<rignes> I think if it's under GPL part of the GPL is that you must release your changes and stuff under GPL.
<init2null> that's why qt is not available for closed-source programs.
<init2null> (under the gpl, that is)
<rjbs> what's not confusing?
<rignes> The GPL
<rjbs> did I miss a line about the GPL somewhere?
<rignes> Nah, we just started talking about the GPL cuz they mentioned it on the show. 
<rjbs> ah
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<rignes> Give away the hammer, but sell classes on how to use it.
<dann> what is the policy on linking to gpl libraries?
<rjbs> The GPL is very simple.
<init2null> according to the fsf, the linkee must be gpl.
<rjbs> If you distribute binaries of software under the GPL, you must make the source available.
<dann> yes, the gpl is very simple, but isn't there a way to link to gpl libraries but your app does not have to be gpl.
<init2null> err, the program linked with the library
<init2null> dann: not according to the fsf.
<rjbs> Yes, if you link dynamically.
<init2null> i'll get you the fsf view in a sec.
<dann> that's what I thought, dynamic linking does not require you to release your source code.
<Jamesl> Ummm, their entire past is nasty. Nothing new here.
<init2null> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
<init2null> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL
<rjbs> That doesn't address dynamic linking.
<rjbs> see this instead:
<rjbs> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WindowsRuntimeAndGPL
<init2null> actually, that's not specific enough.
<init2null> read that. "because that run-time library normally accompanies the compiler or interpreter you are using"
<init2null> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCGPLPluginsInNF
<init2null> that should be definitive.
<Jamesl> If they get their way, the hardware will be secured as well
<rjbs> Huh. I lost ops.
<rjbs> hybrid--
<rignes> Who as the $$$ to call them on it?
<rjbs> rignes: To call whom on what?
<rignes> Listening to the show?
<rjbs> no
* rjbs wishes we had #lvlug and #techshow 
<rignes> Talking RIAA sueing people.
<rignes> Well, it's easier to sue the crap outa little girls then anyone who is capable of fighting back.
<rignes> Bully tactics
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* DaleMN HATES THE RIAA :\
<rignes> rjbs: Why don't we have two channels?
<rjbs> We do now!
<DaleMN> they really need to get there priorities straight
<rignes> :D
<dann> the question might be, how many people on this channel are lvlug members?
<rjbs> It's just jarring to have no idea wtf is going on during the show, is all.;)
<DaleMN> not i
<rignes> I kind of assumed you were listening.
<dann> prior to the techshow no one from the lug really used the irc.
<dann> then the techshow revived the irc
<dann> which was followed by rjbs saying why isn't anyone on here the rest of the week.
<dann> hence the revival of the irc all together, but I am not sure there is much lug participation, which stinks.
<rignes> dann: The RIAA rapes everyone for the music.  They don't want you to buy a single because they can't charge as much for it.
<dann> rignes, that is linc and allan battling it out over here.
<rignes> Hehe oops. ;)
<rignes> s/dann/linc
<Jamesl> But that will never stop them from saying it.
<RoverVAIO> let RIAA come here  they will fing a shotgun loaded and waiting
<rignes> Download an mp3 and the RIAA Police toss teargas bombs through your window.
<RoverVAIO> But I don't have to worry about them anyway  very few CDs
<Jamesl> Have to shoot the letter. They send them in bulk.
<rignes> "Come out with your hand and the mp3's above your head!"
<rignes> How much money is enough?
<RoverVAIO> Rignes  what mp3s  :)
<rignes> Hehe
<rignes> Ok the oggs then
<RoverVAIO> same as above
<RoverVAIO> I listen to computer / tech shows
<DaleMN> 139 for a 256 meg with an fm tuner or 145 for a 1.5 gig rio 
<DaleMN> at wal-mart
<RoverVAIO> have an extencive list   (140+ shows during the week)
<rignes> Wow, thats a hell of a lot of shows.
<allan> Thanks for listening.
<rignes> How about the comparison of partimage to ghost?
<RoverVAIO> http://tinyurl.com/2h5tn
<DaleMN> yw thanx for puttin it on
<dann> I would love to, when I get around to comparing them.
<dann> been a bit to busy at work.
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<dann> now we are not allowed to ghost during the day because it kills our network.
<rignes> Hehe
<rignes> If I get the urge I'll see if I can do more than the basics with partimage.
<DaleMN> ttyl later
<rignes> I personally use the rescue-cd with partimage on it among other utils.
<DaleMN> have a good one
<rignes> See ya.
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<rignes> dann: But I only boot from it, mount a smb partition and dump an image file across the network.  Nothing exciting.
<init2null> bye all
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<RoverVAIO> later all   ringes  enjoy file 
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> gnight all!
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