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<cody> evening all
<allan> Hello
> cody, u da man!
<cody> haha
<cody> seems to be working ok... my shoutcast kungfu isn't strong
* linc thinks cody's kung-fu works just fine!
<cody> apparently icecast2 can re-encode a stream to ogg on the fly using a package called transcoder...
<cody> might have an ogg stream up later tonight if I get that figured out
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> and herrrrrrrrrrrrrre we go!
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<gorkon> hi linc
> yo!
<gorkon> binrev working well
<cody> hey now! canada!
<cody> :-)
<Colin> it is working well
<gorkon> get you sem big ass sennheisers
<gorkon> er some
<tneilso> yeh
<cody> i had wireless sennheisers... they were terrible. I couldn't beleive they were sennheiser!
<Colin> my free trial is up =(
<gorkon> yeah linc....great job
<gorkon> :D
<gorkon> sourceforge????
<tneilso> http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/
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<Patrick> cood evening
<Patrick> Dan is burning candles again?
<cody> at least he's wearing pants
<Patrick> tell me about it
<tneilso> css
<dstate|lt> dammit
<Patrick> Cody, Thanks for the mirror
<gorkon> Depreciated???  Yeah...that's like saying COBOL is depreciated.
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<gorkon> wooo
<slacmac> css ?... columns ?... Dan, time for 'alistapart' visit, no ? Some good info there...
<cody> no problem, the show was choppy last week, I figured it was needed.
<tneilso> :)
<gorkon> div div div...
<Patrick> I'm listening on binrev, sounds decent
<gorkon> me to
<tonyfreem> <div drunk="100%">Heee yaaa!</div>
<tneilso> bathroom reading on css
<gorkon> and I am lost to allan
<cbrown> This conversation doesn't lend itself to audio.
<gorkon> Hiiiiyaaaa!
<cbrown> Where's the streaming whiteboard?
<tneilso> sleep though ...
<gorkon> agred
<gorkon> er agreed
<tneilso> LOL
<gorkon> not used to this Thinkpad t42 keyboard....it's HUGE compared to my 12 inch Mac
<tneilso> #contentbox {
<tneilso>  width: 90%;
<tneilso>  height: 500px;
<tneilso>  overflow: auto;
<tneilso>  border: 0px;
<tneilso>  margin: 0px 0px 20px 0px;
<tneilso>  padding: 20px;
<tneilso>  text-align: left;
<tneilso>  letter-spacing: 1px;
<gorkon> geeesh!
<tneilso>  border: 1px solid #191970;
<tneilso>  background-color: #fff;
<rjbs> tneilso: stop it
<tneilso> } 
<Patrick> pretty dry stuff
<cody> i switched from my big dell 8600 to a little averatec 3150 this week... 
<gorkon> no kiddin
<tneilso> any /div in there will conform to general spec laid out
<cody> keyboard is like 2/3's the size..
<tneilso> layed
<Colin> its real rough on the hands/ brain when you switch keyboards
<tneilso> LOL
<gorkon> hey that sounds nice.....I like this t42....to bad work did not put 2 partitions on it and I can't risk resizing it
<gorkon> otherwsie I'd setup a dual boot
<gorkon> er wise
<rjbs> Don't do that again.  There are plenty of places to paste on the web and generate a URL for the text.
<tneilso> excuse me .... T42 with biometrics?
<cody> hopefully dell will fix my screen and ship my laptop back soon..
<nomastery> gorkon, how much ram?
<rjbs> http://nopaste.snit.ch/ <-- example
<dstate|lt> paste.lisp.org ;)
<gorkon> la la laaaaa
<tneilso> Dan!  goto http://c-24-15-251-182.client.comcast.net/
<tneilso> or Google Baypoint Systems
<gorkon> squeezebox
<allan> http://tuxmagazine.com/
<Colin> .com
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<gorkon> :D
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<rangerwez> hi all ... it's Rick from Boston
<rangerwez> I'm only here for a second
<dstate|lt> hi
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<brian> Hi Rick from Boston
<dstate|lt> i'm uh, dstate from irc ;)
<dstate|lt> oh and i'm on a laptop
<rangerwez> Figured I had a Wed night somewhat free ... I never hear the show live, I always podcast it on Thursday
<Patrick> Our interview with Nat has been downloaded over 8300 times!
<cody> ouch!
<cody> go over on your bandwidth?
<gorkon> wow
<tneilso> PAtrick, was it Dann or Allen that asked about CSS?
<Colin> thats a lot of bandwith
> 8300 times at 30 megs a piece!
<Patrick> Dan
<tneilso> k
<tneilso> thanks
<Patrick> the people on slashdot were bitching about the file size
<rangerwez> well, that's it for me ... just checking out the chat, I've gotta do this again when I have more time
<brian> bah
<MrSaturn> that was on novel's servers right?
<rangerwez> l8r
<Patrick> Nope, on our archive site
<Colin> complaining about 30 megs thats nothing
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<Patrick> Novell just linked to us
<MrSaturn> oh fun
<Colin> go novell
<gorkon> work is thinking about putting Linux on our old mainframe and using it as a webserver.
<Patrick> gorkon, my company as well
<tneilso> cody! you still there?
<cody> yep
<nomastery> yea
<tneilso> where out east are you?
<nomastery> annoying
* gorkon Patrick not sure if it will buy us anything
<cody> Prince Edward Island
<Colin> its quite popular now, my school uses it on their severs
<cody> Charlottetown to be exact
<dann> http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/
<tneilso> PEI! Real spuds!
<nomastery> gnucash
<cody> hehe, yep
<gorkon> mine too link
<dstate|lt> muwhaha
<tneilso> haven't tasted them since I left Toronto!
<cody> the fixed link, anne of green gables and spuds.
<gorkon> on the other hand, I would screw up if I did it.
<cody> :-)
<tneilso> LOL
<Patrick> Since December we've increased hits to the web site by 400%
<MrSaturn> just get your paycheck cashed every month and swim in it schrooge mcduck style
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<nomastery> Patrick, tls listeners
<nomastery> lol
<gorkon> rofl
<cody> tneilso: where are you now?
<Patrick> Jeff, you here? please don't spam us :)
<nomastery> Dec 21st to be exact
<nomastery> Patrick, LOL
<tneilso> Chicago...
<tneilso> IBM .. I've Been Moved :-)
<nomastery> Patrick, that was a nasty list posting
<cody> ah
<gorkon> lol
<cody> bummer, american dollars are good though!
<Patrick> They had like 3 posts prior to my post for Feb
<cody> I was in montreal but my company let me relocate back to anne's land to work from home 
<tneilso> money is money, isd money, is money.
<Patrick> I decided to be nice and let the chips fall where they may
<gorkon> you go linc
<cody> Man, I laughed at that mailing list bru-haha
<Patrick> I'm getting ready to move the MythTV box down to the family room
<cody> so lame
<nomastery> lol, yea
<gorkon> wives just don't understand
<nomastery> kinda belittling
<nomastery> to them
<Patrick> Waiting for my IRC blaster to control the dish reciever
<cody> yeah, well, mostly jeff
<gorkon> But honey that computer has a processor that isn't a Intel processor...
<Patrick> I'm doing a demo at our next LUG meeting, next Tuesday
<Colin> will I be able to play solitaire?
<Patrick> I've also ordered my new wireless G router
* cody wants to get a linksys one to load a linux firmware on
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<nomastery> Patrick, i ordered and have 2 new wireless PCmcia g cards
<nomastery> $10 each
<nomastery> atheros
<Colin> where'd u get those?
<nomastery> compUSA
<nomastery> last week
<Colin> thats cheap
<nomastery> no rebates
<nomastery> straightup
<tneilso> Patrick ... want another Linsys PCMCIA card?
<gorkon> Walmart had a bunch of wireless stuff
<nomastery> these are good
<gorkon> some in clearance bin
<nomastery> att 6700g
<Patrick> tneilso, sounds great, all I need is a laptop  now
<nomastery> lol
<tneilso> thought you had one?
<gorkon> My T42 has it integrated
<tneilso> Athena WIFI
<Patrick> I sold my old laptop, I'm saving up for a new box (video & audio workstation)
<tneilso> yes
<Colin> how is the T42?
<tneilso> same as the T41 ith bio scan
<gorkon> NICE
<tneilso> very
<gorkon> they ordered mine with 1GB of RAM. :D
<Colin> im looking into a good one before I go to college
<gorkon> and DVD combo drive
<Colin> sounds good but expensive
<tneilso> Glad to here you're getting GIG ... you'll need it
<nomastery> yea, gorkon you have to have that for your qemu images
<gorkon> I like OGG but MP3 is easier to use.  
<nomastery> =)
<cbrown> speex!
<gorkon> :D
<MrSaturn> converting from lossy compression to another lossy compression is always going to sound like crap
<gorkon> it is nice....but I have ta use windows
<gorkon> damn work... :D
<tneilso> pump the volume!
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<nomastery> gorkon, i am deleting the ntfs part here
<gorkon> Hellooooo....
<nomastery> on this laptop
<tneilso> more background noise
<aethiolas> very very low
<nomastery> here what
<gorkon> NO
<Colin> not really
<nintenduh> Doesnt sound tooo bad :)
<MrSaturn> the static is kind of soothing
<nomastery> a low hissing
<tneilso> glad nobody passed gas .. we wouldn't have noticed.
<Colin> nothing like wight noise
<tneilso> :-)
<gorkon> rofl
> the hissing is I think the fan in the bg here :-)
<Rover4> 1st one low  2nd one also low
<nomastery> cpu cooling fan
<nomastery> lol
<tneilso> or one of the guys developed a slow leak :-)
<gorkon> jet engines
<gorkon> phew 
<Colin> sounds like my computer
<nomastery> no
<nomastery> we hear it
<Colin> we do!!
<gorkon> I HEAR IT
<nomastery> lol
<tneilso> hell! ... I have 5 Slackware servers in her .... all quiet
<Colin> oo good old heat
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<gorkon> hisssssssss
<tneilso> po!
<utcrazy> how long does it take them to uplaod it?
<MrSaturn> my transmeta laptop dosent have a fan
<gorkon> Hey raditors rock
<MrSaturn> everything else i have is really loud
<gorkon> er radiators
<Colin> VIA?
<gorkon> wow
<gorkon> still low
> cold out here in pa
<tneilso> getting better on volume
<tneilso> alittle more
<Colin> not bad
<nintenduh> that one is eally good
<tonyfreem> Medium is pretty good ...
<nintenduh> really :)
<Colin> it is good
<gorkon> hey sounds great
<Colin> sounds the same as live bit w/o the hiss
<tonyfreem> ... much better than the "low" one
<tneilso> hey Colin! do they have fiber on the island?
<tonyfreem> ... not much difference ...
<Colin> im not on the island
<tneilso> for the BB of cousre
<gorkon> medium is OK....high sounds pretty good but not so much better to go ahead and use it
<cbrown> Play an MP3 comparison.
<tneilso> sorry ... I ment Cody
<tneilso> duh
<Colin> oo ok
<MrSaturn> lossy to lossy = crap
<tneilso> really?
<cody> yeah, we have fiber on PEI
<tonyfreem> My ogg files are smaller than the mp3 ones ...
<MrSaturn> you loose more than the sum of the loss of each individually if that makes sense
<tneilso> I now that back in the early '90s, there was a push in the industry to run fiber from coast to coast.
<gorkon> eh...for tech show....doesn't really matter
<cody> Our cable company is starting to offer fiber to your door soon
<tneilso> surprised they didn't extend it to PEI
<gorkon> what tha?
<tneilso> Canada was a "test bed" for the fiber viability.
<nintenduh> ctrl-left arrow key
<tneilso> Now being deployes in the US over the last 4 years.
<Colin> Fiber is gunna be sweet
<MrSaturn> each encoder makes decisions on what to remove so that it sounds good to the human ear. the designers didnt intend to have an input that already has stuff removed
<tneilso> yep
<tneilso> 4-6 MB
<tneilso> not bad
<gorkon> la la lalaaaa
<utcrazy> it is boring
<Colin> zzzzzz
<utcrazy> lol
<gorkon> zzzzzzz
<cody> yeah, PEI is very well connected
<gorkon> screw it
<utcrazy> Im a new listener, interesting show. . . 
<gorkon> what tha hellll.....:D
<Colin> yeah I know
<Kent> Record to lossless format, such as wav, then encode to mp3 and ogg from the lossless file.
<tneilso> screw it?
<cody> I get 700kb/sec downloads and 150kb/sec uploads on my $34/month residential cable connection
<gorkon> This is going down as the tech show on DRUGGGGS! :D
<Colin> thats nice
<Colin> I got crap internet
<cody> that and Digital TV and telephone... all over the same coax
<gorkon> stick to MP3
<cbrown> Record WAV, convert seperately to ogg & mp3
<tneilso> 1.7MB/sec U and 768kb D
<tneilso> when I was in Toronto and @Home came along .... it was wide open
<Colin> I get like 80KB down and not sure up
<tneilso> 2MB up and down
<tneilso> LOL
<tneilso> had alot of fun!
<cody> yeah, I think eastlink is 3.5mbit down and 1.5mbit up... or something like that
<nintenduh> Is the show using icecast?
<tneilso> had a buddy on the same segment ... we moved ISO files between each other .... dominated the bandwidth for our segment ...
<gorkon> we need a audio hijack pro lik eprogram for Linux
<gorkon> er like
<cody> the nice thing about pei is the head nodes aren't oversubscribed (the death of cable internet)
<Rover4> dual sound card ???
<init2null> I propose we use 100 mb wav's.
<nintenduh> lol
<gorkon> Adam Curry uses a iRiver.....souds good
<MrSaturn> duel banjos!!!
<utcrazy> yes
<gorkon> MB
<gorkon> yeah it's flash Dann
<tneilso> european site
<tneilso> LOL
<tneilso> http://www.iriver.com/
<MrSaturn> ummm, 1998 called, it wants it Mini Disk player back
<Colin> old mini disks are nice, I had a protable one for like 4 years
<Colin> I hear the new ones are kinds sucky
<tneilso> http://www.iriveramerica.com/
<tneilso> US site ....
<gorkon> It's cold here too Linc
<cody> i have a minidisc HiMD 1GB unit
<gorkon> 23 degrees
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<tneilso> 12F her in Chi Town
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<canadiant> Good evening :)
<cody> if i had known that it NEEDs the sony software to work I wouldn't have bought it
<MrSaturn> i have a CD player which requires a knife to eject.  I am on the cutting edge of technology
<judari> greetings all!
<gorkon> I need the FM Radio remote for my Zen
<allan> Greetings
<tneilso> 5GB capacity
<MrSaturn> those neuros ones are nice because they have an FM transmitter
<gorkon> That adds FM radio and a microphone
<canadiant> it was so weird. I was on the phone and my neighbor must have been on the same frequences. I heard everything!
<tneilso> like a usb stick
<tneilso> :)
<MrSaturn> but no ogg :(
<canadiant> They were talking dirty lol
<brian> lol
<tneilso> ver 2.0
<tneilso> required
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<Patrick> Anyone have the Neuros player?
<tneilso> or a rock ...
<judari> first time in the chat room! Been listening to the show since October..
<cody> canadiant: get a scanner.. you'll have hours of enjoyment
<canadiant> I have a cheap flash based one. It works fine for what i need. Holds about 30 songs
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<canadiant> I get 12 hours off mine
<Patrick> I'd really love to pick up a media player
<gorkon> Get ya some rechargeable NiMH Batteries
<Patrick> The Neuros looks cool but I don't know anyone with one
<cbrown> That sounds pretty similar to the Creative MuVo TX FM 1GB
<canadiant> Iriver = IPOD Killer minus the sex appeal
<nomastery> Patrick,  a friend of mine does
<nomastery> the old version
<nomastery> oops
<nomastery> late
<MrSaturn> i'm not yuppie enough for an ipod
<gorkon> I HATE BUDS!
<canadiant> me too
<Colin> they never fit in
<nintenduh> Walmart sells $30 MP3 CD players :)
<canadiant> they wont fit in my ears
<Patrick> nomastery, what does he think
<nintenduh> portable cd players that is
<gorkon> Go to CompUSA and get a pair of Sennheisers
<nomastery> says it sucks
<nomastery> my opinion too
<Patrick> The new Neuros, just released
<Patrick> $100 is pretty good
<Patrick> for the IRiver
<tneilso> does a "mount of the device as a scsi device
<nomastery> yes
<utcrazy> anyone know if you need to downlaod the songs for the i shuffle or if you cna use your own music
<utcrazy> can*
<canadiant> Ipod shuffe. Apple seems to think they invented shuffle. LOL
<gorkon> 8-|
<Patrick> The Neuros is $139 for the 256 meg version
* brian does the Ickey shuffle
<Colin> im pretty sure you can put your own songs on the shuffle
<Patrick> http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category%5Fname=Neuros+Players&product%5Fid=4021500&cookie%5Ftest=1
<gorkon> 99 bucks for the shuffle
<gorkon> 512 MB
<judari> Ipod shuffle 1 gig is $149..
<utcrazy> American
<Rover4> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IFP+LINUX
<utcrazy> lol
<canadiant> too expensive
<tneilso> any other Canuks camping on this channel?
<nintenduh> <- canuk 
<utcrazy> me
<Exdaix> the I Audio M3 is nice  ... works as a mass storage
<judari> that's one bad thing about the shuffle, no recording mic..
<tneilso> Think I saw someone from the curling capital of Canada
<cody> <- canuck
<tneilso> LOL
<gorkon> linc: can it time shift the radio?
<canadiant> <- canuck too we're gonna take over the world lol and make everyone eat back-bacon
<nintenduh> and canadian beef :)
<gorkon> too frickin small
<tneilso> you r right Cody! I Americanized the Canuck! LOL
> dunno gork
<Patrick> Ipod shuffle is weak
<Colin> 6 now
<tneilso> and drink Molson beer!
<canadiant> partiotioning annoys me. Maybe the memory so much smaller. My 128 MB only has 120 MB useable
<Colin> yeah thats w/ all partioning/formating
<canadiant> how does partionign work on other drivers? like hardrive players?
<canadiant> drivers *
<canadiant> drives **
<utcrazy> yeah mine only has 122mb usable
<judari> Molson? Guinness is the way to go.. ;->
<gorkon> Yep walmart
<canadiant> Walmart is my hero
<tneilso> LOL
<gorkon> Walmart has em
<tneilso> Wally Mart
<canadiant> stuff for cheap bastards like us
<tneilso> LOL
<Colin> im not sure, it has to be a universal format so that windows can read it cuase they deff. don't play well w/ otheres
<Colin> its probably done the same way as thumb drives
<nomastery> put Linux on it
<gorkon> 512MB iRiver is 137 at Walmart
<tneilso> scsi subsystem
<Colin> I still gotta try that on my mini
<nomastery> the 20GB archos is 129 on ebay
<canadiant> Can't you boot from Ipods and run a distro off of it? Ppl boot DSL on their thumb drives
<gorkon> 1 GB is 184
<tneilso> do you have usbstorgae module loaded?
<dann> yup
<tneilso> hum
<nintenduh> Does it show up in /proc?
<gorkon> heh heh
<judari> I wonder how much the 1 gig iRiver is ?? $200?
<Colin> you can load OS X and boot off that but im not sure if you can do PPC linux or x86
<gorkon> :D
<tonyfreem> 5 GB is $280 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007L29LK/qid=1109817005/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1_etk-electronics/102-9236176-5444106?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282)
<gorkon> $187
<nintenduh> /proc/bus/usb/....
<nomastery> try booting Mepis
<canadiant> I got my Ubuntu discs :D
<tneilso> what isin you r dmesg Dan?
<nomastery> it has the ipod sw on it
<tonyfreem> Plug it in and do a "dmesg" to see what was just plugged into the system.
<canadiant> the Live Cd will recognize my Video Card. But the Install CD wont do it.
<canadiant> Gnome wont load
<Colin> buy one off line for like 50 dollars and do it your self
<dann> I cannot do that now, I forgot the cable at work.
<tneilso> ah
<dann> But I will post the message on my blog this week.
<Colin> your warrenty is gone anyway
<gorkon> I stil might get a shuffle...just for playing my iTMS music
<canadiant> Warranty is only gone if the repair guys notice ;)
<nomastery> archos has nice durable rubber pads on the corners
<Colin> lol
<gorkon> If anything, I can use the shuffle as a key fob drive
<canadiant> USB Music players indestructable :D
<nomastery> replacement drive is like 100 for 60gb
<utcrazy> they get errors?
<utcrazy> thats not good
<gorkon> there ya go Dann
<gorkon> :D
<canadiant> Give ur IPOD to me
<canadiant> i'll adopt it
<Exdaix> I've got a 20GB hdd player ;p  I win.  No stinkin 1GB here
<Patrick> hack it baby!
<nomastery> Exdaix, me too
<nomastery> my archos is great
<MrSaturn> you have 20GB of music???
<nomastery> and has opensource firmware installed =)
<Exdaix> MrSaturn: about 9GB of Oggs
<tneilso> Dan .. let me know if you guys need equipmemt ... I get shit in  here, play with it and then eventually dump the studd.. Just threw out two full sized towers with 400 Watt power supplies and 2 DAT drives ... nobody here wanted them.
<nomastery> i have 46gb
<Exdaix> nomastery: i looked at that... decided to go with the iAudio M3 20GB
<Patrick> Dan, play one of mine from last week
<nomastery> cool
<Patrick> Hip hop high
<canadiant> yaa for skype
<cody> tneilso: damn, I just bought a DDS3 drive on ebay!
<dstate|lt> yeesh
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<dstate|lt> i thought my collection was small being a quarter TB..
<cody> guys, levels are too high, it's distorting
<Colin> yeah it is
<canadiant> ya drop your main levels
<gorkon> voltron??
<tneilso> get equipment all the time .. eventually I have to dump it because of space .... ny office gets alittle full .. yah know
<tneilso> LOL
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<tonyfreem> ... well it's been good ... Thanks!
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<nomastery> drop your pcm 
<dann> we love equipment
<judari> I would like to buy a regular Ipod simply
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<gorkon> I want a iPod....but I want a iRiver too
<MrSaturn> i would like to buy a mansion on the beach
<canadiant> I haven't seen an IPOD here in Regina for ages. Future Shop, Best Buy, Stapes. They're old sold out with people on waiting lists
<MrSaturn> simply of course
<Pitr> iriver > ipod
> No kiddin tneilso - send it on over - we'll *review* it 4 ya.
<nintenduh> I want money :/
<tneilso> Have a Linksys Instant Wireless WPC11 card to get rid of ...
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<tneilso> no charge ...
<MrSaturn> my life just wouldn't be complete with out heavy metal
<canadiant> Subnetting is fun ;)
> send it on!
<tneilso> drop it in the mail
<nomastery> tneilso, lol
<gorkon> I'd be happy with a shuffle....already have the Creative Labs Zen 20 GB
<Pitr> gorkon: no shuffle?!?
<tneilso> WINDOZE software included
<judari> because of the storage cpacity and be able to store alot of music on it.. however, I like to jog and I don't wanna mess up the Hard Drive.. So, I'm looking for the solid state players, but they don't have the high storage capacity..
<MrSaturn> Creative, there is a once cool company that has turned in to a steaming pile of poo
* gorkon Pitr can't find em
<tneilso> need a mailing address
<gorkon> no kidding
<tneilso> \check your user list in the forums
<tneilso> send me email
> will do
<tneilso> if you want
<gorkon> I was pissed they never did anything for the Zen on the Mac...then XNJB cam out
<canadiant> I converted my Computer Science teacher over to Ubuntu. Damn teaches these days. 
<tneilso> also have a Linksys Instant Wireless PCI Card ....WMP11
<tneilso> Btadcom chipset though ...useless to me
<Patrick> Dann, finally
<tneilso> Broadcom .. there's a company with no commitment to open source
<tneilso> LOL
<canadiant> Gnome or KDE?
<gorkon> no gnome in slack???
<canadiant> what is better?
<gorkon> wow
<Patrick> I got Slack 10.1 w/XFCE running on this old machine I have
<nintenduh> KDE!
<Patrick> runs like a champ
<gorkon> ick
<judari> I love 'eavy Metal \M/
<tneilso> well gnome is still a work in progress
<canadiant> I like Gnome. Its so easy to use. KDE end up annoying me somehow
<nintenduh> I would rather use windows then gnome in its current state
<canadiant> Gnome needs work I admit
<bkuebler> I can't believe that I am the only one in the whole world that thinks KDE is pretty good.
<nintenduh> does the F13 key do anything in gnome yet? :)
<MrSaturn> i'm still holding out for Enlightenment 17
<tneilso> Patrick ... email is tneilso@comcast.net or tneilso@us.ibm.com
<gorkon> rofl
<gorkon> e17....still coming....
<Patrick> I like KDE
<tneilso> or skype me
<canadiant> I updated Ubuntu in the install. It took me 2 hours
<MrSaturn> the dev list is still pretty active for e17
<Colin> I still need to try enlightenment, I hear its awsome on older hardware
<Patrick> It's more complete than Gnome
<judari> I'm using Gnome right now. I'd like to try fluxbox sometime. I wanna a lightweight WM that is fast. Would Fluxbox fit this?
<MrSaturn> i'll happen
<MrSaturn> it'll
<bkuebler> flux rawks.
* bkuebler uses flux most of the time.
<gorkon> call me when there's a package I can install e17 with
<bkuebler> flux is lightweight and fast.
<MrSaturn> heh
<bkuebler> a lot of people are really liking xfce 4.2 though.
<gorkon> I hate installers...package managers rule
<nomastery> MS
<canadiant> I agree gorkon
<gorkon> so you can remove it dan
<nomastery> slide unders
<gorkon> with a rpm or deb, you can un-install with ease
<canadiant> I hate pop ups. Firefox :(
<gorkon> adblock extension
<canadiant> Whats the point? ppl hate them
<canadiant> It's not the porn sites ;)
<nintenduh> sparks was back :D
<MrSaturn> nothing wrong with a little girl on girl on midget porn
<canadiant> what is so hard to take down the pop unders?
<Colin> you can get a plugin that lets you turn java off from the browser window so u can turn it on when u need it
<cbrown> We just need to be able to disable javascript's ability to open new windows.
<cbrown> But still keep the rest of it's functionality.
<canadiant> I like the installer for DSL
<canadiant> Dillo
<nomastery> works well
<canadiant> or something like that
<nomastery> dsl that is
<nomastery> i run DSL in qemu
<nomastery> on this suse box
<Colin> DSL sells some nice mini ITX boards with fanless everything and flash cards with DSL on it
<nomastery> and have it on my LCD pictureframes
<nomastery> 64mb 166mhz 
<canadiant> i installed. DSL is amazing trust me. It works so well on like 100 Mhz lol
<gorkon> I have to check that out
<nomastery> canadiant, Kent.. listener has it on a 16mb system
<gorkon> the itx boards that is
<nintenduh> Damn Small is Damn Sweet
<gorkon> yep
<Kent> yup, dsl on P90 with 16MB ram.
<Colin> yeah nothing like a totally silent computer
<nomastery> yes
<gorkon> me
<nomastery> they sell them on their website
<nomastery> you can
<nomastery> inside of windows
<gorkon> Yeah you can
<nomastery> guys
<nomastery> using QEMU
<gorkon> under QEMU
<Colin> the site does say that
<nomastery> gorkon, thanks
<gorkon> grin
<nomastery> qemu
<nomastery> qemu
<canadiant> DSL wont load on my old pentium one of them. I get an error. saying extremely broken bios deteched. Any suggestions?
<gorkon> no
<Colin> bios update if possible i guess
<gorkon> it runs inside a qemu window
<nomastery> canadiant, hammer?
<gorkon> yep
<nomastery> freeoszoo.org
<nomastery> check it out
<gorkon> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
<nomastery> gorkon, yup
<canadiant> im going to try that qemu on windows
<nomastery> and download images to run on qemu
<tneilso> jc! you there
<nomastery> also runs iso images
<nomastery> that is how i run my dsl on suse
<nomastery> and how i run windows on my desktop at work... suse desktop
<nintenduh> I would call but I sorta destroyed my mic :(
<ryochan7> i would but I have nothing to talk about
<tneilso> where in Canada are you?
<nintenduh> Winterpeg
<gorkon> yeah
<tneilso> ewh
<tneilso> burr
<nintenduh> hehe
<ryochan7> lol
<tneilso> no open buckets of water?
<cbrown> Dial randomly off Nicole's cell phone list.
<Colin> oo RIT, I might go there
<Colin> NY
<MrSaturn> oh how i miss college
> I am from upstate ny..
<nomastery> path, you choose, lie you in
<nomastery> hehe
<gorkon> Linc: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-accel.html
<nintenduh> http://www.tlm-project.org/distributions/ <- nice place to download linux distros via bittorrent
<Colin> Open one in Boston, so I can go
<gorkon> rofl
<cbrown> Insulting guests.
<Patrick> Colin, were you at the LWE?
<Colin> yeah
<MrSaturn> any good degree isnt going to teach a specific operating system
<Patrick> Hopefully next year we'll have a booth at the .org pavillion and do all 3 days
<Colin> did u see me there
<MrSaturn> but i'm more of a CS oriented person
<Colin> oo I can't wait till next year
<Patrick> I wasn't with the guys the whole time, I was with my wife :)
<nomastery> any of you going to Brainshare??
<Patrick> Brainshare, in Clevland?
<nomastery> er, Salt Lake City March 20-25
<nomastery> novell
<MrSaturn> has anybody else noticed that tllts website renders like crap in opera?
<Patrick> I was in SLC back in 98
<Patrick> Nice town, a little quiet :)
<Patrick> lot's of listeners tonight
<gorkon> 10pm
<Patrick> keep listening everyone and spread the word!
<gorkon> :(
<allan> Thanks for listening!
<nomastery> good show guys
<Rover4> later all
<Patrick> good night
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<gorkon> god show
<cody> yeah, I had 10 people on my stream mirror
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<gorkon> er good
<nintenduh> anyone ever go to llts.com? :)
<nomastery> gorkon, maybe next time
<nomastery> =)
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<nintenduh> The domain name llts.com is for sale 
<nintenduh> Prices in the region of US$3,695
<init2null> great show
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> gnight all!
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