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<Gajon> yeah, i mean i've just discovered it last week
<Gajon> :)
<Snecklift> ah, just picked it up
<Snecklift> sounds good
<Snecklift> binrev is soft metal at the moment
<Snecklift> allan is quiet
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<gsutter> "can you hear me now?"
<Snecklift> awww, no belching in the mic!
<Gajon> hahaha
<gsutter> yeah, that's like unprofessional or something.
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<gsutter> and stuff.
<Snecklift> yeah and you dont get that on tllts
<Snecklift> yeah baby
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<ben_o> Ahh the music...
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> Hey can you hear us talkin BenO?
<Snecklift> yup
<ben_o> Yep
<Snecklift> oh
<Snecklift> Im not BenO
> cool - sound okiedokie?
<ben_o> Especially the belching....
<gsutter> we all can hear just fine
<allan> Do we sound OK?
<gsutter> so stop bitching and belching...
<Snecklift> I can hear dann bitchin about the music
<gsutter> and bullshitting
<gsutter> :-P
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<Gajon> hehe
<gsutter> creeps
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<dstate> *** sabre (~kent@h-66-167-178-215.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.netERC> shit irc client screwing up ;P
<shabang> binrev is not right.
<dstate> ahh there we go
<dstate> guess thats what i get for modifying elisp..
<dstate> sorry for the paste guys
<Kent> dstate, I didn't do it. :-)
<shabang> hear ya on binrev
<gsutter> are we on the air?  hey, is this thing on?
<gsutter> <TAP TAP TAP>
<ben_o> You're on binrev...
<dstate> Kent: hehe yea for some reason your host started pasting
<ben_o> I think...
<dstate> odd too cuz i dont have a gui or mouse
<Snecklift> yeah, got you on http://media.sysop.ca:8000/techshow
<Kent> They do know we can here them right? ;-)
<Snecklift> yeah
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<peragrin> kent I don't think so.  I think the mic's hooke dup is a joke they haven't gotten yet
<gsutter> http://zer0.org/tmp/audio/misc/SNDCHK.WAV
<init2null> hi all. glad I get to listen live again!
<Snecklift> hey init
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<Kent> It's good to start the show laughing! :-)
<justintim> eww
<ben_o> ARGH
<init2null> I missed a great show last time. it had passion, drama, and hate -- almost a geek soap opera :)
<gsutter> what dorks :)
<dann> what the hell show were you listening too?
<init2null> stallman causes those emotions.
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<justintim> aww... Sean's not here tonight
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<justintim> that's true with me too
<justintim> winamp plays ogg files
<ben_o> Winamp 5 for ogg...
<justintim> yeah
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<justintim> winamp!
<ben_o> Those heady days when I let Windows in my house
<dstate> hehe
<ben_o> ;)
<gsutter> and Whamb! and others for OS X...
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<Snecklift> Nice little debate my email started by the sounds of it
<justintim> "a computer is like an air conditioner: it stops working when you open windows"
<dstate> gsutter: no swear words here 
<dstate> ;P)
<ben_o> heh
<gsutter> OS X is mostly BSD UNIX and therefore quite acceptable...
<Snecklift> is this guy doing the whole show this week?
<ben_o> Easy tiger!
<scottl> bah, BSD the tool of the MAN!
<dstate> hah
<scottl> =-D
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<dstate> if only that were true
<justintim> yeah
<justintim> 80
<dstate> gsutter: osx doesnt work well as a server, so its not accetable in my book to be even remotely comparable to BSD Unix
<gsutter> i can smoke bongs for 80 episodes straight too.  is it that big an accomplishment?
* gsutter ducks
<Snecklift> I didnt know Pat was a regular now.I thought he just turned up when he felt like it :D
<gsutter> dstate: i see your point, but it depends on whether you were using BSD as a workstation or as a server!
<scottl> "Richard, or as I like to call him, Dick"
<scottl> ep.78
<dstate> hehe
<ben_o> Did anyone read Stallman as patronising?
* gsutter stares at xchat on Xorg on FreeBSD on crappy VIA/blue plastic hardware
<Snecklift> I just thought he was a bit delusional
<Snecklift> its 60/40 against dropping I think at the mo
<init2null> ben_o: sometimes, yes
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<gorkon> Howdy all
<Snecklift> hi gorkon
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<ben_o> It was some of his comments about spreading the 'free software message'...
<gsutter> gather round and free the software!
<dstate> heh
<gorkon> Yeah that sounds good....make archives ogg
<dstate> hehe
<Snecklift> I'm not sure he quite understands that you cant make a living off writing FOSS.
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<dstate> Snecklift: tell that to redhat
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<ben_o> ooo, how about a bashpodder extension to re-encode to ogg as it gets the feeds
<scottl> dstate: is that why DeadRat is selling linux for $500-$2500 a pop?
<ben_o> What is it now,  mp3ogg or something?
<Snecklift> quite
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<dstate> scottl: thats support
<russiansh> sup people
<scottl> dstate: is it?  Where can I download the free (non-liberated) RHEL4?
<gorkon> keep both hands on the keyboard linc!
<dstate> scottl: what do you think whitebox is
<peragrin> mp3 for shows.  Ogg can be used for archives.  
<gorkon> yep
<dstate> also rhel4 is fedoracore
<ben_o> heh
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<scottl> dstate: well, that's 'liberated', not exactly sanctioned by RH
<dstate> hah
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<dstate> they are making a fine living off foss
* scottl twiddles thumbs
<peragrin> hey kent their is your local rmour
<Snecklift> My point was that Stallman said everyone should make their products free and open but failed to state how people make a living off it.
<dstate> how about fsmlabs? they make money off of rtcorelinux
<Kent> peragrin, I'm on the Linux Show mailing list. :-)
<Snecklift> I would call red hat an exception
<ben_o> I think that Stallman even went as far to say that it's unethical to make moeny off of anything that is information based
<gorkon> Stallman is a mental patient.  I love his ideals, but, NOONE is going to improve Linux for free.
<russiansh> you can make if Free and open but charge ass loads for support
<scottl> Snecklift: a business model can be made off of it.  The problem is that an industry cannot be made off of it.  There is only room for a small handful of redhats
<russiansh> UHH readhat
<peragrin> Kent,  I was refering to the quiet romours you wanted to spread
<ben_o> Programs, music etc
<russiansh> redhat
<dstate> wait
<Kent> peragrin, You can't keep a "secret" in the FOSS community. ;-)
<Snecklift> Okay, take Ubuntu. Are they turning a profit?
<dstate> so, a few minutes ago we were singing the you cant make a living off of foss tune
<dstate> now its changed?
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<gorkon> Pay who? SCO?
<gorkon> rofl
<dstate> Snecklift: sure they are profiting
<peragrin> :-)  TLS had sponsers for bandwidth and travel money
<Snecklift> I sincerely doubt that
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<gorkon> oh...thanks
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<scottl> dstate: didn't say that.  Said that redhat has to charge outrageous sums
<dstate> Snecklift: email mark yourself then
<peragrin> of course we aren't talking about you
<dstate> scottl: those sums arent outrageous for what support entails
<Snecklift> I heard the interview on lugradio
<scottl> dstate: maybe they can sustain it, maybe they can't.  My crystal ball does speak linnex
<scottl> s/does/doesn't/
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<scottl> darnit
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<Snecklift> he admitted they were pumping money in 
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<peragrin> Um you guys are from PA you have an accent
<dstate> Snecklift: all projects need money put forth at the beginning..they havent even really begun yet
<gorkon> u have penciltucky accents
<Snecklift> you guys are the slackware of internet radio shows
<dstate> ouch
<allan> Yee Haa
<dstate> that hurts
<peragrin> lol
<russiansh> slackware rocks hands down
<peragrin> you either love it or hate, but all respect it.
<russiansh> true that
<dstate> does slackware provide packages for kernel exploits? before major releases? like the fixes that went into 11.7 ?
<Kent> Every show is different. That's GREAT! Choice is what Linux is about, isn't. ;-)
<dstate> Kent: true ;P
<dann> usually they do.  
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<dstate> dann: where?
<dstate> dann: i dont see it on errata
<gorkon> it's WAY big
<dann> I said usually, I have not seen the patch for the kernel.
<dstate> infact i dont see many kernel fixes in slackware errata
<russiansh> the swaret gui is nice
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<dstate> there have been many occasions ;P
<gorkon> breakers....whoo hoo....where's yer UPS??  ROFL
<peragrin> wait linux servers rebooting?
<rignes> dstate: Slack uses the vanilla kernel.  I'd think you just need to get the patch and apply it.  Then recompile.
<gorkon> TLLTS on generator! :D
<scottl> you kids and your modern linux.  Yaddrissil  forever!
<peragrin> or are they running windows
<ben_o> I had to reboot my server at work today...
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<dstate> ben_o: sux ;(
<justintim> yeah
<Snecklift> yeah, whatever happened to UPS?
<justintim> TLB show :)
<gorkon> Bitkeeper????OH BOY....
<ben_o> Damn electrician needed to test the power and put a sticker on it
<libervisc> What's the time?
<gorkon> 8:54 EDT
<Snecklift> tridge
<ben_o> Three months running and he sods up my record... ;(
<scottl> Tridge
<gorkon> tridgell
<libervisc> oh.. alright :)
<peragrin> he was monitor the network packets
<dstate> oh
<gorkon> Surprised RMS did not say anything about that
<dstate> speaking of which...arch is going to use git
<Kent> The CEO of BitKeaper was the real problem.
<scottl> gorkon: what would he have said?  Danced a jig and chortled "I told you so"?
<peragrin> very true kent
<gorkon> Yins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<Kent> BitKeeper that is
<justintim> i'm a journalist at TLB
<dstate> Kent: larry mcvoy?
<peragrin> he was anal about compitetion of any kind
<Kent> yup
<gorkon> scottl: good point
<justintim> new york :)
<justintim> no
<dstate> whats tlb?
<justintim> the linux box
<dstate> oh
<peragrin> cool
<dstate> i have a few of those ;)
<justintim> thelinuxbox.org
<Snecklift> its all a big screw up and the main players need to cool off
<gorkon> need to add that to my bash podder feed
* scottl pictures RMS as a leprichan
<justintim> i'm posting a ton of those :)
<dstate> they dont really need bitkeeper anymore..
<gorkon> scottl: a hairy one at that
<justintim> nope
<dstate> there is git
<ben_o> how mature is git?
<dstate> git has web frontend already too
<dstate> ben_o: arch is going to use it now
<Pete> due to the large volume of people all of a sudden, i'd guess there was a show goin on
<Snecklift> Linus is supposed to be coding up one himself
<dstate> Snecklift: git!
<Kent> Git is being heavily worked on now
<dstate> git isnt an scm though
<Snecklift> git yourself :D
<Kent> It will be an scm, just a little time
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<dstate> Kent: i think more like scm's will adopt it
<gorkon> GNU!!!!
<gorkon> ROFL
<Pete> so when is the silly person with an ipod gonna say they're so great, so i can slap them down with iriver's and archos's? ;)
<scottl> Anti-fluffy bunnies
<Kent> That's fine, as long as its GPL
<ben_o> Hmm, is 'Git' named just as a retort to Bitkeeper?
<gorkon> RMS Sez everytime you use closed software a kitten dies....
<dstate> ben_o: probably ;)
<scottl> gorkon: every time you use OSS, RMS kills a kitten with body odor?
<gorkon> rofl
<gorkon> WHOO HOOO.....funny
<ben_o> Is that before or after the folk dancing>
<ben_o> ;)
<scottl> in all honesty, that was the first time I had heard him speak, and I was surprised at how lucid he was
<dstate> hehe
<rignes> I watch certain ones over and over.  Like LOTR.
<scottl> he almost made me hate GNU?HURD less
<rignes> Pink Floyd: The Wall
<dstate> there isnt much to love about hurd..
<dstate> it has the functionality of a grape
<ben_o> I'd be more interested if I saw GNU/Hurd go past a boot screen
<Kent> I watch DVDs over again, as long as I can't remember the story any more.
<gorkon> Movies like Total Recall, Star Wars, any Star Trek......watch them over and over
<rignes> Oh, how coudl I forget Star Wars!  
<justintim> i get movies and watch them over and over within the same week
<rignes> I just watched all of them again recently.
<justintim> then i pull them out in another year
<justintim> and do the same thing
<gorkon> man if walmart started selling thier Lindows machine in store....whoo boy
<Snecklift> 99% of people are lazy
<Snecklift> hmmmm
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<ben_o> Remember when XMen2 came out at the same time everywhere. I noticed a lot less activity on the irc warez channels
<gorkon> I saw PC's at Walmart in store the other day for 348 bucks.
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<peragrin> If i send it to you you had better pay :-)
<peragrin> The pirated stuff works on more players
<ben_o> tis true
<brian> $348? Wow. I could almost but MS Office Pro for that!
<gorkon> MIB2???
<ben_o> But Men in Black II sux
<gorkon> ewww
<dstate> i just watched house of flying daggers
<gorkon> Except Lara Flynn Boyle
<dstate> good movie
<Kent> dstate, I almost bought that today
<dstate> Kent: good buy
<Kent> cool
<ben_o> The also dont like risk
<Kent> I just bought "Anti-Trust" at walmart today. $5.50
<gsutter> it's not that they're lazy, it's that they Just Don't Know what unix can do, or what it means to have control of your own computer.
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<ben_o> 'I might get caught!'... 'They'll be knocking on my door if I try that'
<brian> I think it's just that people want to use that nifty IE thing why, with all it's great features and all
<scottl> kensmith: it's a trap!
<gorkon> Anyone ever have a user call and say hey this certain thing that is important to run hasn't been working for months....I hit the ceiling and say why did you not call after the second day???
<ben_o> IE makes installing software easy! (tm)
<gorkon> ben_o: heh heh
<gsutter> MS Internet Exploder, with Active8 AutoVirus
<brian> Internet Exploiter
<gsutter> as true today as it was in 1997
<peragrin> http://www.pchdtv.com/
<peragrin> These guys are linux only support  Windows drivers are beta and unsupported
<oobuntoo> mmmm... beer
<gorkon> Save the Yuengling for AFTER show
<justintim> that's too cool
<gsutter> FreeBSD!
<scottl> Free LSD
<ben_o> BFD! heh
<gorkon> FreeBFD
<gsutter> ooh, Yuengling
<brian> cool
<scottl> phone
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<Snecklift> Big F***in' D....
<ben_o> April 1st.. That was a fine show :)
<brian> my daughter likes the bouncing demon text screensaver
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<gorkon> daemon
<gorkon> FreeBFD
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<oobuntoo> It's not the FreeBSD Link Tech Show?
<dstate>  speaking of bsd
<dstate> will ULE ever be stable?
<justintim> is this Skype out?
<dstate> since that seems to be a selling point
<ben_o> Let the Skype fun begin...
<gorkon> u guys have a speaker running in the room??
<justintim> ok
> nope
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<gorkon> hmmm...from the way he describes it it's like when you do a call without a headset.
<brian> I hope this guy isn't as shy in stating his political views as RMS was
<russiansh> lol
<justintim> lol
<russiansh> RMS was a nut job 
<gsutter> also he's the release engineer, that's a fuck of a lot of software :)
<ben_o> Maybe its the skype jiggery pokery
<dstate> oh no
<russiansh> just to say again
<dstate> esr?
<brian> I enjoyed the RMS chat
* dstate isnt listening yet ;(
<brian> even though he is a little 'out there'
<gsutter> "all been fixed" hehe
<gorkon> who that was CLOSE....a garden variety thunder storm with an occasional strike
<gsutter> AHHAHA, say it scottl, say it
<russiansh> hell yeah
<russiansh> slack
<libervisc> slack!
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<gsutter> it's hard to contrast freebsd and linux without getting into flameage
<ROVER> ok wich is better  BSD or linux and why
<ROVER> which*
<gsutter> see what i mean?
<dstate> ROVER: there lots of BSD kernels ;P
<david> Linux is better 'cause I'M using it!
<ben_o> * must don flame anti-flak suit
<peragrin> Um I would like to see the proof on that
<dstate> damn right david
<david> :)
<ROVER> gs I've been working with Fedora 
<gsutter> why are they asking the wrong questions?
<gorkon> Or Darwin for that matter
<justintim> i'm on Mepis :)
<dstate> darwin is a slow piece of shit
<dstate> unfortunatly
<brian> oh don't hold back tell us how you really feel
<ROVER> I'm open to different Idea and ways of doing things
<ben_o> Sound is not trivial!
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<russiansh> i love compiling the kernel i do it for fun
<gsutter> the modular kernel can load pcm.ko now, without any compilation.
<gorkon> funny....my mac runs fine! ;)
<oobuntoo> Q: What does he think of Gentoo's portage compared to BSD's ports?
<russiansh> i love my powerbook
<russiansh> Slackintosh
<gorkon> ordering tiger SOON
<russiansh> yeah tiger has built cluster support
<ben_o> Is it better to tag GNU tools onto MacOS, or to install a Linux varient?
<gorkon> Xgrid sounds cool as heck
<russiansh> yeah
<russiansh> could not think of the name 
<ben_o> echo
<gorkon> They are supposed to be coming out with Windows and Linux Xgrid clients....imagine increasing your processing power 100 times at night by leveraging all of thos PC's.
<russiansh> hell yeah
<peragrin> I wonder if the linux x-grid client will be easily ported to the bsd's
<dstate> that must be innovation heh heh (tm)
<gorkon> A minor thing, but I love that Tiger comes with AT&T ksh.
<russiansh> nice
<gorkon> good question
<russiansh> should 
<gorkon> would it need a port though???  I mean how dependent would that be on Mach??
<ben_o> Depends on how it shares the proc cycles
<gsutter> configuring X manually nearly always works though
<gorkon> ben_o: Yeah....tis true....not being a kernel hacker, I would not know! :D
<gsutter> it's the "FreeBSD Ports Collection"; it's not Debian portage.
* gsutter pedant
<ben_o> Closest I get to kernel hacking is popcorn
<dstate> debian portage ...thats like spitting on debian's good name
<russiansh> lol
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<ben_o> heh
<gorkon> ben_o: Xgrid would probably need a port....the OS X client likely woud use Obj-C.  
<gsutter> yeah, those mooches :)
<ben_o> gorkon: True, true
<gsutter> that wasn't an answer scottl
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<gorkon> ben_o: That and Aqua of course
<gsutter> but good avoidance :)
<ben_o> gorkon: Well with all those new shiny clock cycles from Xgrid, you gotta use some in the GUI. :)
<gorkon> ben_o: yep! :D
<gorkon> http://www.apple.com/acg/xgrid/
<gorkon> They have not changed this page....refers to Bonjour as Rendevous
<russiansh> arm
<russiansh> my zaurus
<russiansh> BSD Zaurus
<gsutter> better than what?  5.4 on sparc64 is pretty good except for the console!
<ben_o> "View the Xgrid tachometer to see how much power you have available"
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<nomastery> hey all
<gsutter> lol scott
<gorkon> rofl
<ben_o> Too much GUI there methinks
<Kent> Hi nomasteryoda!
<gorkon> Yeah, but I bet you may be able to turn it off
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<nomastery> did i miss the show?
<gorkon> no
<dstate> ask him if ULE will be default in 5.4? or at least stable 
<Scott> gorkon:  ?
<nomastery> gorkon, thanks
<Kent> nomastery, first half. :-)
<nomastery> ix
<nomastery> ic
<nomastery> been painting
<Kent> As in house?
<gorkon> the GUI in Xgrid man
<russiansh> the BSDpod
<nomastery> lol
<gorkon> FreeBFD Pod
<RangerWez> sounds good
<russiansh> i was just thinking that
<nomastery> gtkpod + suse 9.2 is crud.. gtkpod + ubuntu =-)
<Kent> nomastery, you ubuntu whore. :-)
<RangerWez> but aren't BSD and Linux ... well they are pretty much alike, no
<nomastery> Kent, it is too cool 
<Kent> lol
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<nomastery> Gnome bites for many functions, but it is streamlined
<oobuntoo> Xenix all the way!
<gorkon> Back in the day....
<russiansh> lol BAck in the dad
<russiansh> lol BAck in the day
<gorkon> Back in the day....C64Baby!!
<nomastery> orbiting brain lasers
<russiansh> lol
<gorkon> er C64 Baby
<Kent> Caldera was cool too, back in the day when they had a soul
<RangerWez> lights dimming ... nah, just turned on my AC
<russiansh> that video
<nomastery> fembots with a passion for evil
<nomastery> hehe
<ben_o> Free BSD + defence contractors' armaments + ssh + Google Maps = Fun
<brian> Colorado is nice
<nomastery> Gnu henchmen with bad teeth
<gorkon> I just want a Tiger....with frickin laserbeams on thier heads!
<nomastery> lol
<brian> but Wyoming is even better
<nomastery> gorkon, nah... a cockroach
<gorkon> rofl
<RangerWez> VI ROCKS!!!
<gorkon> vi
<brian> vi!
<gsutter> and now we know
<peragrin> vi rul3z
<ben_o> notepad.exe
<gsutter> why linux weenie wars continue
<gorkon> EMACS SUCKS
<peragrin> nedit
<gsutter> it's because of questions like this
<RangerWez> how about 'ed'
<Snecklift> you are all wrong
<gsutter> it's like the sports fans cheering section for each product
<Snecklift> emacs will forever rule
<dstate> Snecklift: damn right
<ben_o> (Oops... forgot the ;)
<RangerWez> how about vi for Microsloth
<nomastery> RangerWez, lol, that is what linux was originally writtent in... according to linux lore
<gsutter> DA BEARS, EE-MACS
<gorkon> yeah
<nomastery> ed that is
<RangerWez> ah ...
<gsutter> scottl: "not if i can help it"!!!!!
<ben_o> heh
<gorkon> Who the HELL needs multiple file buffers like EMACS has....that's what Xwindows is for.
<dstate> blah
<russiansh> hell yeah
<dstate> i am using those multiple file buffers right now
<nomastery> Kent, so anyway, Ubuntu is so much smoother on this laptop... some stuff was hell to configure, but it is much faster than SuSE9.2
<dstate> irc w/ emacs ;P
<dstate> ERC :)
<nomastery> lol
<russiansh> he said well
<RangerWez> I'm still trying to get my Mac LC3 to run linux, but with a 40 MB drive ... well that's just tough
<gorkon>  found a TIGER ROCKS
<dstate> ask him about ULE stability for 5.4 :(
<dstate> will it be default!
<gorkon> 129....69 with edu
<russiansh> fink
<peragrin> the apple tac
<peragrin> tax
<ben_o> nomastery: I've never felt that Ubuntu was any faster in use... (I've got 3 ubuntu boxes)
<ben_o> Any tips on speeding it up (kernel-wise)
<ben_o> ?
<nomastery> ben_o, ok... .. just that my suse has gotten slower.. mouse is jumping around, etc.
<Snecklift> I agree that Suse is slow. I just installed Ubuntu but not all that impressed
<nomastery> hdparm helps with disk
<nomastery> dvd and hd
<Snecklift> Sticking with Fedora
<ben_o> Ah, yes. Suse does seem real slow in comparison
<Kent> nomastery, which kernel?
<gorkon> I found a Mac LC III at th thrift store for 5 bucks
<russiansh> that nice 
<RangerWez> I'd bet ... it's VERY old
<nomastery> Kent, on suse? 2.6.8-24.14-default
<russiansh> not bad
<Snecklift> just compiled 2.6.11.7 for fedora
<RangerWez> but I figured I could get linux on it
<nomastery> ubuntu hoary is 2.6.10-5
<nomastery> and is stable
<nomastery> brb
<gorkon> I didn't buy it.....if they had a monitor and ADB keyboard and mouse I would have bought it
<gorkon> There was also another mac with a CD rom in it too
<russiansh> lol
<Snecklift> :D true
<Kent> I still have my Apple ][+. :-)
<Kent> circa 1979
<libervisc> lol
<oobuntoo> ubuntu default kernel is i386; I just installed i686-SMP with a single apt-get and reboot
<ben_o> It's not a crash, it's a feature
<peragrin> apple requires reboots after every file binding.
<russiansh> and thats why win sucks
<Snecklift> I updated four times after installing NAV
<gorkon> Microsoft....install ANY program and they want u to reboot.....it seems that way sometimes
<Kent> nomastery, kernel for ubuntu?
<libervisc> gorkon, it mostly is that way :D
<dstate> ule scheduler!
<gorkon> Kent: Does it work?
<RangerWez> Apple []+ ... wow ... I started with a IIE (with 128kb of ram)
<peragrin> not sure why I think it has to deal with theri permission settings and the links for aliades
<gsutter> http://www.freebsd.org/
<gsutter> oh god
<gsutter> not the mascot questions
<gorkon> Oh dear...the Daemon
<ben_o> Isn't BSD looking for a different mascot?
<Kent> gorkon, Yes! I still have my two Macs too.
<ben_o> Or was it NetBSD....?
<Snecklift> My brother is a christian and I told him my computer was full of daemons
<dstate> ben_o: net, they already changed their logo
<Snecklift> he wasnt happy until I explained
<jr> mandrake rocks
<Snecklift> nice interview dudes
<russiansh> yes it was
<ben_o> dstate: That was it, thanks.
<Snecklift> mandriva you mean
<russiansh> better than RMS
<RangerWez> Snecklift> I'm a Christian, but I have my personal daemons under control
<gorkon> Kent: I tell ya I am imporessed with the durability of Macs.  These two macs hardly had a scratch on them.  The old 486 PC I saw had all kinds of scratches all over them and were falling apart
<Snecklift> :D
<oobuntoo> Yeah, good interview
<Snecklift> uh-oh, three smilies in one irc chat session
<Snecklift> thats not good
<RangerWez> Skype is AWESOME
<gorkon> PC to PC
<jr> Does anybody think that solaris will survive
<gorkon> No skype out/in's....
<peragrin> http://www.userfriendly.org/community/scrapbook/lwenyc2k/dpandbsd1.jpg  
<peragrin> I like the daemon
<gorkon> stupid NAME
<Snecklift> theres loads of people thinking its pronounced Man Driver
<RangerWez> I actually had to edit audio on my computer at work the other day. I Skyped from my work computer to home via Skype and edited stuff via VNC ... very cool
<nomastery> you mean mandriva
<Snecklift> so are dumping it because its gay
<oobuntoo> Remember that Mandrake is in trademark trouble
<ben_o> Oh dear god, peragrin ...
<Kent> gorkon, Apple has always made good hardware. I had to replace a ram chip in the ][+ ounce. That was in '81. :-)
<gorkon> Anyone remember when Mandrake was just Red Hat with KDE?
<peragrin> There were better shots.  I can't find them now
<nomastery> lol
<nomastery> yea
<gorkon> Kent: yep.  They are tanks!
<ben_o> That was Mandrake 9.1, wasn't it?   *dodges under desk
> hackin8.org
<gorkon> for what?
<shabang> http://www.hakin9.org/en/index.php
<nomastery> ben_o, lol
<gorkon> oh hackin....nebbermind
> hackin9.org
<oobuntoo> Duh, distrowatch.com!
<nomastery> Duh, google
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<gorkon> special  5 kw generator just for the tech show
<oobuntoo> Ain't it funny that google is a substitute for DNS?
<nomastery> fluxbox is desktop
<gorkon> flux likely
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<russiansh> who isn't
<peragrin> 5k?  I got a 15k sitting at work waiting for the first guy with cash
<gsutter> l8r
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<gorkon> We need to find a good GIMP geek to make a nice logo....instead of the scriptfu one
<ben_o> gorkon: for flux?
<gorkon> no..for TLLTS
<gorkon> tshirts
<ben_o> Sorry... must pay attention
<gorkon> rofl
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<russiansh> lol
<gorkon> wow
<ben_o> It's 1/4 to 3am in the UK though
<rignes> quicker than slack?
<ben_o> Gimme a break
<ben_o> ;)
<gorkon> NO!
<rignes> It's terribly hard to be quicker than slack.
<russiansh> true 
<RangerWez> gotta go ... good night all
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<gorkon> gimme binaries....
<ben_o> Hell yeah
<russiansh> they need to move slack over to 2.6
<rignes> It will be with Slack 11
<russiansh> yeah
<gorkon> not if you want to do WORK on your gentoo system
<rignes> If you look in the testing directory on the CD there is a 2.6.10 kernel for slack 10.1 that you can use.
<dann> I'm running 2.6.10 and 2.6.11.7 on slackware
<gorkon> yep
<russiansh> has any one seen a big jump in FPs with the new Nivida driver
<rignes> Not to mention you can grab the kernel from kernel.org and compile whatever kernel you want.
<dann> but if you have a usb prism based wifi card don't go with 2.6.10
<gorkon> heck no
<nomastery> well, if you can't just get a disk and install, then right it's will not function for mosts people
<rignes> I'm running 2.6.10 myself on Slack 10.1.  Works nice.
<russiansh> i have 2.6.11.7 on laptop
<nomastery> top geeks, maybe, average desktop user no way
<ben_o> synaptic?
<gorkon> yeah apt rocks
<russiansh> and 2.6.10 on desktop and server machines
<russiansh> lol
<gorkon> quite the damn gnuing
<russiansh> lol
<russiansh> hahaha
<ben_o> heh
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<libervisc> Heya metal47 :)
<metal47> hey
<metal47> whats this?
<gorkon> http://funroll-loops.org/
<metal47> whats this shit?
<libervisc> metal47, techshow :D
<david> That's it, I'm burning these guys a Kanotix CD and sending it to them to try out.
<metal47> oh :)))
<ben_o> "Yet, binary distros are riddled with bugs, and are much more annoying to fix given the the cumbersome edit/build package/install package cycle."
<ben_o> Nice
<gorkon> rofl
<gorkon> geesh
<libervisc> rignes, i also run slack 10.1 with 2.6.10
<libervisc> :)
<Gajon> I once installed gentoo on a pentium 1 233mhz
<Gajon> it took 5 days to compile openoffice
<metal47> some guys talk about linux on internet stream ... with one talking he has a life
<libervisc> and i just can't get through gentoo :D
<metal47> man !
<metal47> oops!
<rignes> I just don't see the sense if compiling everything when a binary does the job.  The little benefit of speed is not work the time to me.
<rignes> But to each their own I guess.
<libervisc> rignes, yep..
<Gajon> well i was just experimenting.. of course i use slackware now
<gorkon> ok.....flame on linc! :D
<Gajon> that pc has slack 10 now
<libervisc> whatever suits you, for me, the performance i ger from compiling everything isn't worth the time of compiling :)
<libervisc> simple..
<rignes> I was thinking about trying out Gentoo on my PIII 500 but have been lazy.  Or I should say, I've had better things to do with my time.
<metal47> so write the damn escape codes :) u linux user
<gorkon> Deeeebian
<libervisc> so binary packs like tgz slackpacks are totally fine for me :)
<brian> my daughter is a Firefox fan
<metal47> Deeeeeeeeeebian
<metal47> LOL
<oobuntoo> Gentoo appears to be aggressively up-to-date, but I have never gotten Gentoo installed.
<ben_o> It's pronouced 'OOO bun two'
<oobuntoo> I had problems like what Patrick described during Gentoo install
<gorkon> Gen2
<metal47> INTERWEB i mean internet
<judah> hey i got the internets too!
<ben_o> Got to stay away from that interweb thing. BBS is the only thing for me!
<metal47> FREEBSD ROCKS!!!!! AMIGA RULEZ!!!!!
<ben_o> 6502 for prez!
<libervisc> relax metal47 ;)
<metal47> DRUMS DRUMS
<libervisc> hehe
<gorkon> very 31337
<metal47> WE WHANT DRUMS ... double bass pedal!!!!
<ben_o> icecast the theora!
<metal47> we want some ass kicking metal music on linux 
<gorkon> ou wanker
<gorkon> er you wanker
<nomastery> legally ...
<nomastery> lol
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<metal47> knoppix knoppix 
<russiansh> it ok
<oobuntoo> Audio sounds pretty good to me
<metal47> Its sound gread !
<peragrin> good night all,  Good show.
<metal47> great
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<Kent> peragrin, Goodnight 
<Kent> damn, missed again
<metal47> high freqencies are little muddy
<ben_o> Stream sounds good, but one mic is coming out a tiny bit muffled...
<ROVER> audio is good tonight
<metal47> muffled yeah
<ben_o> Could just be me though
<oobuntoo> levels are better this week, I think
<judah> ben - yeah, pat's mic is a little muffeled..
<russiansh> yeah
<metal47> do these guys talking are talking right now? or its prerecorded?
<Snecklift> just got this from funroll-loops
<Snecklift> "Binary packaging does encourage sloppy coding/design, contrast with the stochastic API unit testing which occurs naturally with all the building with different configurations."
<gorkon> allan spending big money huh? :D
<libervisc> metal47, right now
<metal47> do they look at this irc :) ???
<russiansh> yeah
<metal47> kewl
<libervisc> metal47, but you can listen it over and over again later, even download an ogg or mp3
<metal47> its better live
<ben_o> Snecklift: As opposed to the astochastic compile your own API testing that goes on...
<gorkon> We need to have a 3 hour show! :D
<gorkon> JK guys
<russiansh> oh no
<gorkon> binrev dude
<metal47> !!!! we should throw all PCs to trash and get our AMIGA computers back .... !!!!
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<Snecklift> ben_o: I havent a clue what that means :)
<russiansh> yeah
<gorkon> no it doesn't!
<gorkon> DO IT DO IT!
<russiansh> no
<ben_o> I don't really nkow either!
<gorkon> the TLLTS 5 KW generator
<ben_o> I don't really *know* either!
<Snecklift> Guess whose got his ticket to Lugradio live
<Snecklift> huh?
<Snecklift> yeah baby
<metal47> what WHAS tha beep ?
<nomastery> ben_o, like masochistic
<russiansh> ?
<metal47> something beeped?
<gorkon> Those WANKERS
<nomastery> assochastic
<russiansh> yeah
<nomastery> lol
<metal47> whats the beep?
<ben_o> Too many tabs
<metal47> oooooooo yeah driknking
<Snecklift> we'll do some kind of "Bono calls the president" thing for Lugradio
<gorkon> Bloody 'ell
<metal47> drinking drinking!
<russiansh> that will be great
<metal47> yeah get drunk and play metal !
<Ashley> Hey, it's libervisc.
<gorkon> Damn....he's all nackered up
<metal47> play some metal and get hot chicks
<russiansh> beep
<libervisc> Ashley, ash is it you?
<metal47> beep again
<allan> thanks for listening
<libervisc> hehe
<Snecklift> cheers guys
<metal47> cut off?
<metal47> why?
<libervisc> Ashley, yeah, libervisco :)
<russiansh> later all see you next week
<metal47> why? why?
<Ashley> Hi. :-)
<ben_o> cheers! 
<Snecklift> nice show
<gorkon> binrev
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<gorkon> bye
<ben_o> bye
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<gorkon> go dann
<nomastery> LOL
<gorkon> :D
<russiansh> link link tech show rocks
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<russiansh> latet all
<Gajon> bye bye!
<nomastery> that is the beeping
> gnight all!
<gorkon> TLLTS is the roxors....rofl
<nomastery> what a way to go out...lol
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<init2null> good show. bye all
<libervisc> this jingle is ...ugh
<metal47> when is the new?
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<metal47> show*
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<metal47> jingle sux
<nomastery> libervisc, this jingle is cat chow
<nomastery> cat chow
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