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<david> Just another quiet Wednesday night.  You, Colin?
<Nullkraft> Hey Linc
<Colin> same, just chilling b4 the show
<Nullkraft> hello.
<Snecklift> yep
<ben_o> hello.
<Colin> o wow linc is on a half hour before the show, setting up early this time?
<Snecklift> i can hear yo
<david> I hear voices!
<ben_o> test
<ben_o> test
<Colin> maybe they will start on time
<Nullkraft> Too bad I can't understand the voices.
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<Snecklift> I cant understand the voices in my head either
<Snecklift> Krill! Krill! Krill! or something like that
<dann> maybe, but not likely
<dann> pat isn't even here yet
<Nullkraft> what's pat gonna do?
<Colin> who's the guest tonight?
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<david> Geesh... sounds like an angry Cookie Monster to me.
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<canadiant> hello everyone
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<david> Yo!
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<Mark_S> hey girlz
<vladster> you thavage brute
<Kent> Hi vladster!
<vladster> using a different client that irssi tonight
<canadiant> I had a heated fight with the local computer guy. Idiot. He goes to me when I buy a machine: Do you want windows? I said no I have linux. He's like "You have to get windows to get anything done. U can't play batlefield 1942 on linux" I told him "Ya well children don't really care about a reliable operating system. I want a real operating system to get my job done.
<canadiant> stupid windows ppl.
<vladster> junkies
<Snecklift> one track mind man
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<Colin> wow thats great
<vladster> with an emphasis on junk
<david> Ah, I've never met a computer sales person that knew much more than what the broucher tells him.
<Colin> where did he work
<Snecklift> Whats the word for it?
<Snecklift> Entrenched corporate purchasing mindset
<canadiant> Pc Place. Its a canadian company. F'ing idiot. 
<vladster> using bnirc tonight
<ben_o> Snecklift, that's several words...
<canadiant> but best buy ppl arent any better lol. They're all dumb
<Colin> ignorent people, and you can play bat. 1942 on linux thanks to wine
<david> Nah, I wouldn't buy from PC Place.  I went there once a few years ago.  Wasn't impressed.
<Snecklift> yeah im dylsexic
<Colin> I just ignore Best Buy people cuase they can't help me w/ anything
<Snecklift> anyway, 1942 can be run with cedega
<canadiant> david: i bought a used computer from PC Place Surplus. $150 CA for 800 mhz box. Perfect Ubuntu system
<vladster> Monitors, mice, and acceseries is all they are good for
<Snecklift> Heres a q. Why cant you buy Dell PC's w'out windows?
<canadiant> snecklift: microsoft and dell are bum buddies ;)
<ben_o> I got Bat. Vietnam sitting on my desk.... can't get to the title screen with either Wine or cvsCedega
<vladster> gets the job done, what more can y ou ask for
<Snecklift> yeah?
<Snecklift> too bad
<Snecklift> Dells not that big in the UK
<Snecklift> well, not as big as they are in the US
<david> canadiant: That's pretty good.  I like a local store here named OTV.  Good folks who actually know what Linux.
<ben_o> Our IT guys won't buy anything non-Dell supplied - 'For the support'
<david> Uh.. what Linux IS, I meant to say.
<dann> canadiant, is your server running?
<vladster> HP is starting to sell boxes packaged with suse pro
<canadiant> yeah Regina is limitied. We have a Linux group called LOSURS. (Linux open source users of regina) but no tech shops at all.
<vladster> They will have a laptop out this yerar preloaded and configured with suse
<Snecklift> I'm thinking of giving CentOS a go. Anybody familiar with it vis-a-vis WBL
<david> I attended LOSURS's Open Source expo last  year.  Too bad they don't seem to be having another one this year.
<canadiant> dann: no. I've been having problems. I give up for now on it. I think my isp is screwing me over again.
<Ashley> I havbe Centos on my server.
<Colin> does any one know of any good expos in the Boston area other then the linux world?
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<Snecklift> Ashley: Happy with it?
<Ashley> Snecklift: It's exactly the same as RHEL 4, but it has its own updae servers.
<Ashley> *update
<cswanson> are we talking about CentOS?
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<Snecklift> Ashley: I know a little about it, was just wondering whether to go with CentOS or White Box
<Ashley> Yeah.
<canadiant> note to self, dont use Debian (a bitch to make run)
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<vladster> got a link on centOS?
<_gentgeen> http://freshmeat.net/projects/centos/
<Cody> CentOS > Whitebox IMO
<Ashley> I'm not familiar with White Box so I don't know. :-)
<Snecklift> centos.org
<Snecklift> Ashley: okay thanks for the input. Its really with a view to getting some Red Hat Certs
<_gentgeen> canadiant, can I ask what your problem with Debian was???
<Snecklift> Cody: Yeah thats what I'm hearing
<Mark_S> ubuntu -- debian without the hassle.
<Ashley> I'm ging for a RHCT next week. :-)
<canadiant> _gentgeen: just the general install. I wasn't happy with it. Very complicated I found. I prefer Ubuntu because it's debian based with a easier installer
<Snecklift> Ashely: Ah, good luck dude
<david> I really like by Debian SID desktop (Kanotix).
<Snecklift> Ashley I mean
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<vladster> got to get azureus working
<Ashley> :-) Thanks.
<peragrin> vladster, hey good to see you again
<Snecklift> vladster, whats wrong with the bt client?
<Kent> peragrin, Long time no see. ;-)
<peragrin> Kent, yea very long, still no news
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<_gentgeen> Ubuntu is great if your going for a desktop system, I find Debian pure better for the server/mixed environment
<vladster> getting it to work properly in debian
<_gentgeen> I use Debian Sarge for my desktop, have not had any problems
<Kent> peragrin, JeffG is such a tease. :-)
<Ashley> I tried installing Debian on my 166 last night. That documentation confuses the hell out of me.
<Snecklift> i see. And you have to get java installed to use azeureus
<_gentgeen> and liked that I could set thing up exact like I wanted.  -- Don't use KDE or GNOME, so Ubuntu or KDE would be too much
<Cody> I've been using ubuntu for 6 months now, it's definatly one of the better desktop linuxes out thre
<vladster> I use debian because it lets me do thing Suse or ubuntu won't let me do easily
<Cody> there
<canadiant> _gentgeen: im looking to get a more client side experience out of linux. I'm slowly moving my family over to linux but as you know, people are so windows centric.
<Snecklift> canadiant, its all they know dude
<_gentgeen> I have my box, then have my wife and 2 kids using termials (LTSP kind of thing) into it.
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<Snecklift> Has anyone heard the reviews of the latest Longhorn release by the way?
<_gentgeen> Awesome setup, only 1 computer to mantain now
<Mark_S> _gentgeen: what are you using for terminals?
<Snecklift> Paul Thurrott called it "A train wreck"
<canadiant> yeah are u there any good "Windows like" distrobutions as far as look and feel. I know geeks hate windows but we have to get a compromise so that nonlinux users find the move easier
<vladster> I need to find a browser that can emulate the signatures of ie and windows to get on certain sites that are ie/winblows only
<_gentgeen> 1 old laptop, 1 old emachine, and 1 old IBM
<Cody> vladster: firefox + useragent extension
<vladster> I have a TI EXTENSA 560 cd
<david> _gentgeen: How did you find the LTSP set-up?  Difficult at all?
<Snecklift> Just install the LUNA gdm theme on Fedora
<_gentgeen> NOT AT ALL
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<vladster> someone gave it to me
<david> Got to try that sometime (LTSP that is).
<_gentgeen> but I did cut my teeth on K12LTSP  which is REALLY easy
<canadiant> Snecklife: will Luna theme run under Gnome2 on Ubuntu?
<_gentgeen> just install and run
<ben_o> vladster, further to the useragent extension, there is always the greasemonkey extension... let's you tinker with the javascript
<Mark_S> vladster: get the prefbar plugin for mozilla/firefox
<Snecklift> canadiant, AFAIK, it should do as its on the gnome website
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<Snecklift> hi linc
> hello
<Snecklift> are you bollocks
<_gentgeen> Then a little work setting up IceWM, Rox, Firefox, Thunderbird, -- and my wife and daughters computer looks just like the Win98 machines I replaced
<vladster> t5hast will be a first
<canadiant> The old theme I luv it lol
> isn't bollocks an ass?
<Snecklift> no, testicles
<Snecklift> a much loved UK expression
<Snecklift> but you know that from LUGradio right?
<ben_o> And so versatile
<Snecklift> see, not ready
<vladster> bollucks is my favorite color (Matchmaker
<Snecklift> ocks, not ucks
<GHOSTless> OMNISCAN!
> so I am a testicle then?
<david> I've got two PCs set up for our home network right now.  I'm really glad I learned about Konqueror and fish:// 
<vladster> stop farting, I can't find my gas mask
<Snecklift> You tell me!
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<ben_o> 'Are you bollocks' -> expression of disbelief
<Mark_S> what's fish?
<canadiant> Looping farts interesting
<Snecklift> If you dont start on time you are :D
<Kent> too late
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<sean> fish = FIles over SHared network
<gorkon> evening
<gorkon> He cocked it all up
<david> fish:// used to connect Konqueror to a remote system (through ssh) to transfer files easily from one PC to the other.
<Snecklift> ben_o, exactly
<vladster> You are a minute and thirty seconds late
<Mark_S> cool.  ssh is the only way to go.
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<ben_o> fish:// is my treasured find of last week... it is perfect for that random fileshare emergency
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<david> You open up Konqueror, type fish:// followed by the URL of the PC you wish to link to and that's it.  You need ssh running on the PC you're trying to connec to.
<gorkon> and bollocks
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<sean>    I used fish:// to put TUX magazine on my mother's desktop
<ben_o> heh
<justin> here we go
<Snecklift> big, lovely bollocks
<dann> http://www.jellyslab.com/~bteo/hacker.htm
<Mark_S> I've always done the smb:// with konq.
<sean> Hi Justin
<vladster> anyone seen yoda?
<justin> hey
<Kent> vladster, last week
<slacmac> [dann] lol !!!
<gorkon> yeah there's a tone of them at my local Kroger...
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<ben_o> Gotta love those 127/8 3133t haX0Rs
<init2null> hi all
<slacmac> that was a hoot (the sd link)
<allan> Hello
<david> I think Konqueror is turning into that Linux Killer App. everyone seems to ask about.
<_gentgeen> sean, I used fish:// to put TUX ... on my mother's desktop  -- Makes you sound like an animal trainer
<vladster> a real schies-kopf
<justin> that's funny
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<_gentgeen> Sit TUX, good TUX
<ben_o> I'm starting to fear Konqueror bloat though ....
<peragrin> http://www.totalillusions.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=328
<Snecklift> Thats some funny shit
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<peragrin> There is the link boys
<david> But it does so darned much.. and so easily, too.
<canadiant> dann:link is dead
<peragrin> I read it this morning
<sean> star wars revelations rocks
<peragrin> revelations was good
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<ben_o> The CG in revelations is top notch
<justin> cool
<Snecklift> I thought the SFX were amazing but the acting was appalling
<peragrin> The acting is better than Anikins love scene
<gorkon> Bit torrent folks!  Where are they for revelations
<ben_o> peragrin, true, true
<gorkon> Hardware Wars
<GHOSTless> oooo anikins love scene yum
<vladster> Elch, what a moron
<Snecklift> sith apprentice is good
<Mark_S> Tell pat to stop eating the mic.
<gorkon> The original ones
<ben_o> Goddamn, troops rocks.... heh
<gorkon> er original spoof
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<sean> i tried mirroring revelations, and my hosting provider got upset when my bandwidth shot up to 1.2 TB in a day
<gorkon> Oggy Ben Doggy
<david> Hardware Wars.... Oggie-ben-Doggie, Ham Salad, Chuchilla the wookie monster... classic.
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<gorkon> david: Shweet
<ben_o> nice ;)
<dann> I remember hardware wars on Prism back in the day
<gorkon> oh yeah...that and thundebirds 2032
<canadiant> new realse of ubuntu
<david> I've got an old copy of Hardware Wars on VHS.  Taped it when it first came out.
<canadiant> Im waiting for Hoary to ship
<ben_o> newer ubuntu than 5.04?
<ben_o> next ones breezy badger!
<canadiant> im too cheap to download the discs. I'll wait for my shipit shipments
<vladster> I need  a distro that will run on a laptop with a Pentium 75 and 16 megs
<Kent> damn small linux
<gorkon> drop to ammand line?  apt-get dist-upgrade???
<gorkon> er command
<ben_o> Vector linux/ Slack might work for a P75
<vladster> I need to get it installed through the network
<Mark_S> apt == ammand line ...
<vladster> I was thinking of potato
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<canadiant> Can you put the upgrade instructions in the blog?
<canadiant> Thanks :)
<_gentgeen> DEBIAN ROCKS  ^-^
<gorkon> deeeebian
<Kent> vladster, just be careful about the X server that's used. DSL uses a small X.
<gorkon> did that upgrade the kernel too?
<vladster> the display is only vga
<Kent> vladster, I have an old P90 with 16MB ram and 1.2GB HD. Works pretty well.
<vladster> dsl?
<Kent> damn small linux
<ben_o> Gentoo -> graphical installer is announced (again)
<gorkon> dsl rocks
<Kent> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
<Mark_S> anybody get a read/write driver working for NTFS
<gorkon> new kernel
<Mark_S> I wan't one on a mini distro
<Cody> the only hitch I had upgrading to hoary was the binary nvidia driver
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<sean> i just installed kubuntu today
<gorkon> cody: I hate that
<nintenduh> heyo
<sean> i really like it
<canadiant> Gnome all the way
<ben_o> Kubuntu's alright... It works, now.
<sean> kde 3.4 is faster than past versions of kde
<gorkon> crunch
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<elgordo12> I upgraded to 3.4. It is faster.   It seems that gnome and kde leapfrog each other every year or so
<nintenduh> they both kick ass :)
<Cody> not a big fan of KDE, I like the apps they have but I find KDE quite slow
<ben_o> GCC 4.0 might speed up things another notch as well (Something to do with better library linking...)
<nintenduh> i like kde because of kde-look.iorg :)
<elgordo12> But to watch icewm and others to load in the blink of an eye awesome
<justin> i like kde
<nintenduh> .org*
<justin> tons of intergrated apps :)
<gorkon> Tiger arrives here on friday
<ben_o> fluxbox + kde apps = Nice
<justin> xfce is good too
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<cesman> howdy folks
<Kent> ben_o, GCC 4.0 has better C++ optimization
<david> Pat... you're too close to the mic!
<Snecklift> here, here
<canadiant> decided force: how much alcohol consumed
<Mark_S> Yeah, pat back off an inch.
<ben_o> That's the way to put it, Kent. Thanks!
<gorkon> How evil was Gentoo??
<Kent> ben_o, You're welcome! I read an article yesturday. ;-)
<Snecklift> Did RMS ask for the name change?
<ben_o> Snecklift, it's actually GNU/RMS not just RMS, you know.
<gorkon> RMS Thoughts on Bit Keeper??
<Snecklift> ben_o, hehe
<ben_o> Rms on bitkeeper - 'I told you so' (paraphrase)
<canadiant> Im in love lol. I found a girl that can subnet! :D
<nintenduh> does she have a sister? :)
<Mark_S> RMS on bk - Good example of closed source.
<canadiant> haha
<canadiant> She's actually taking CCNA 1 with me 
<ben_o> My girlfriend found "127.0.0.1, sweet 127.0.0.1" funny....
<david> yes they did.
<vladster> I have a wife that won't give up windows
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<james> they did gentoo.  it got like a 4.8
<david> Gentoo was like in third place.
<james> second
<gorkon> 4.8 outta what?
<david> Oh.. second. Yes.
<james> -5 to 5
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<gorkon> G i listen...they just said that.....DOY!!!!!!
<vladster> get lessons ;)
<Cody> kevindevin and linux link, thats about it
<justin> podcasting rocks
<justin> :)
<ben_o> Coverville, indymedia
<canadiant> hey whats the IRC command to be away?
<gorkon> I listen to tech show, Daily Source Code, Your Mac Life, This week in amateur radio
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<Cody> adam currey makes me want to throw my minidisc out the window
<ben_o> canadiant, it's Alt-F4    ;)
<Snecklift> Cody, I'm with you on that once
<gorkon> Adam is ok.....so long as he's NOT playing a Mashup
<justin> i listen to TLB show, TLLTS, LinuxLog, MacCast... and occasionally Adam Curry DSC
<sean> thanks for the plug ^-^
<canadiant> brb then. Gotta go pick up a dish washer lol
<vladster> evil genius chrinicles?
<gorkon> Heck i am on the stream every week...may as well remove it from my hit list
<justin> i heard like one episode of that
<Snecklift> have you guys heard the first LQRadio show?
<vladster> chronicles*
<justin> oh yeah, lq radio too :)
<judah> jim and ester are cool..!
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<ben_o> Wholewheat radio's pretty good, worth a listen
<gorkon> Yeast radio sucks
<gorkon> Oh and Dawn and Drew I listen too
<Mark_S> d/l the mp3's to my player and plug the patch cable into my car stereo.
<david> Sean: Enjoyed your interview with Aaron J. Seigo
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<Ashley> Know what? The tech show needs ads so I can get up and find out who's at the door without missing everything. :-)
<sean> I loved my interview with Seigo, he is the coolest
<Cody> Yeah, the revenge of the screen savers
<judah> Jim Kloss from Whole Wheat Radio, his blog is RIGHT ON about the whole podcasting thing..
<gorkon> Guy....u need to send a promo to Adam and see if he wil play it
<gorkon> er guys even
<david> sean:  Yea, I've e-mailed him a few times since then.  Good guy... knows lots of stuff.
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<dann> we did that already
<dann> back in November
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<ben_o> There's only so much Dawn and Drew I can enjoy
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<russiansh> sup all
<gorkon> ben_o: True....though yesterdays show was entertaining....
<libervisc> The guys are like just chatting :D
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<gorkon> I like shows like this....
<sean> <david> the great thing is we had both gotten a lot of coverage for having differing views on open source apps on windows. a lot of people really thought i was attacking aaron, and he stood up for me
<gorkon> they were due for a chat fest
<ben_o> gorkon, I shall uncomment DNDS then...
<judah> adam's show is too radio-ish in ways..
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<Snecklift> How about the Mile 'I' club
<Snecklift> Self-abuse at 50'000 feet!
<justin> dsc isn't my favorite :(
<russiansh> dsc is good most of the time
<david> I didn't think that... it was a good discussion, I thought. 
<gorkon> ben_o: Yeah...someone sent them some japanese treats to the po box...peanut cuddle fish snacks and some better ones
<justin> yeah
<russiansh> some days it sucks big balls
<ben_o> Curry's podcast is a little too 'historical' for me
<justin> but sometimes it just gets hard to listen to
<libervisc> lol
<vladster> bitch mail
<gorkon> I just skip the mash ups when listening to DSC
<russiansh> Opsound has great music
<russiansh> Standard Size  by ML
<justin> i usually stop listening and open and old episode of TheLinuxBox Show :)
<gorkon> I enjoyed the MTV Chronicles he did...those wer efun
<ben_o> gorkon: would that be peanut + fish flavoured?
<gorkon> ben_o: Yep....nasty
<gorkon> they both almost puked
<russiansh> RMS BOO
<russiansh> ahh
<ben_o> gorkon: but did they anticipate it?
<gorkon> ben_o: yep
<justin> :(
<ben_o> heh
<Mark_S> RMS schweet!
<russiansh> yall have a great show
<justin> that's too bad
<russiansh> True that 
<russiansh> Slackware
<russiansh> freebsd
<russiansh> last show
<gorkon> ben_o: At least they got something with good taste too....some chocolate filled cookie things
<gorkon> FreeBFD
<justin> lol
<ben_o> gorkon: aren't they advertising Durex now?
<vladster> RMS?
<judah> gorkon: yeah, the mtv chronicles was kinda intersting.. but it kinda got gossipy, which is lame..
<Mark_S> Richard M Stallman
<gorkon> ben_o: Yeah....near the end
<russiansh> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/66795671.html
<russiansh> lol
<russiansh> piss in the pool
<russiansh> much better
<russiansh> please
<ben_o> Archive -> ogg, stream -> mp3,ogg
<russiansh> read
<gorkon> MP3
<vladster> I need a car player that can play ogg
<justin> i think iriver is one of the only ones that support it :(
<gorkon> there are not that many DAP
<Snecklift> thats the whole point, ogg plays straight away
<ben_o> Actually, thinking about it, keep mp3 in the RSS feeds
<gorkon> er DAP's that support OGG
<justin> apple could add ogg support so easilly
<Snecklift> mp3 takes some configuring
<justin> to ipods
<ben_o> iRiver H320, sweet. Can play nasty 10 fps video too
<sean> TLLTS is definitely my favorite tech show
<justin> i wouldn't listen if it wasn't on my ipod
<russiansh> i rush home from class just to hear the show 
<gorkon> justin: I heard it's not that easy...ogg  suupposedly take more horsepower then the media chip in the ipod can dish out
<russiansh> love the show 
<rignes> Woop!  Slack!
<russiansh> keep up the god work
<slacmac> how 'bout a Patrick V interview ?
<justin> aww :(
<justin> sean: what about your show
<justin> ;)
<russiansh> oh yeah
<russiansh> slack
<Ashley> I changed the time of my class so I couls stay home and listen to the show. :-)
<Gajon> yeah Pat intrview would be great
<russiansh> Like the hear from Pat 
<ben_o> It's 2am in the UK...
<slacmac> would love to hear some slack history from 'the Source'
<russiansh> to *
<gorkon> Yeah...I want to here the real story about Pat's sickness
<sean> justin: i like my show to, but i can't listen to myself ;-)
<justin> lol
<libervisc> Ashley, sounds like you've become a fan ;)
<Ryochan7> lol
<Ashley> A little bit. :-)
<justin> i should listen to tat
<justin> that*
<justin> i'm looking forward to hearing about mythtv
<justin> :)
<gorkon> like dann's on hold music
<gorkon> linc
<justin> are you guys getting jeremy back on any time soon
<gorkon> Peter Gunn
<vladster> Me on skype
<russiansh> lol
<russiansh> great music
<ben_o> Ooooo, cell phone. It's gonna cost...
<Mark_S> sean: what's your show?
<justin> the linux box show
<sean> Mark_S: TLB Show
<ben_o> It's a skype feature...
<Mark_S> cool, I'm already on the site. thanx
<ben_o> make that "feature"
<dann> sean, great show
> Yeah gorkon - peter gunn :-) Suprised anyone even knew that!
<justin> skype to a cell phone
<justin> wow
<dann> sean, what is the name of the show that Australian fellow has started putting out?
> hows hw sound to you guys?
<sean> dann, thanks
<gorkon> linc: used to play sax with a jazz band in college
<Snecklift> linc, a lot of us have the blues brothers sound track
<dann> linc, oh yean mean that's not really called the Spy Hunter theme?
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> Gorkon, both Dann and I are Trombone players.
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<david> I think this guy was at the Regina Open Source expo last year too.  There was a Myth TV booth there.  Don't know if he was there though.
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<sean> dann, penguin central
<dann> not rusty trombone, the real thing
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<dann> that's right.  He doing another one soon?
<gorkon> linc: cool.  Trying to pick up piano now so I can dick around with MIDI in garage band
<justin> that was weird
<judah> so when is the trombone recital on the tech show?!
<Mark_S> linc: the phone side of the conversation is a little quieter than pat.
<sean> dann, i gave him some space on my server, but he hasn't really established a timeline yet ;-)
<gorkon> linc: They gave me the solo once in peter gunn and I just adlibbed the heck out of it...at the time I was playing tenor sax...it rocked! :D
> Gorkon, send us some mp3's man!  We'll play them and yuou can be famous :-)
<david> He's actually interviewing WHILE at work?
<Snecklift> One day we will look back on the early days of VOIP and chuckle
> This whole skype to cellphone thing is not working out well..... :-(
<Snecklift> ie reminisce
<gorkon>  linc: wish I hade some! :D  That was WAYYYY before MP3....like 89-90 time frame
<justin> never get voip phone service
<justin> like vondage
<gorkon> linc: sounds like local am radio
<Snecklift> i bought some skypeout credit, never had any probs with it
<vladster> We use it at work
<justin> i mean like vondage
<justin> for a home phone
<justin> i had callvantage
<david> The thing is about VOIP phone service is... what happens when the power goes out?
<gorkon> justin: time warner voip service is the berries
<justin> i haven't used that
> Sneck, it's great person to person but when you start piping it through mixers - bah...
<Snecklift> gotcha
<justin> i had at&t call vantage
<justin> i will never go back
<ben_o> Anyone know if the skype USB 'phone' can be made to run in Linux yet?
> I dont think so
<Snecklift> it must be the mixer doing the echo
<gorkon> I nee dto look into switching to vonage....they have better rates then time warner
<justin> doubtful
<gorkon> ben_o: windows only so far....won't even work on mac
<Snecklift> ben_o, not yet. I emailed them
<Snecklift> They told me to buy it becuase drivers will be coming out soon
<Snecklift> Yeah right I said
<ben_o> Ah well, will have to stick with the silly call-centre crown then :(
<gorkon> never buy it til the drivers show up
<justin> or just get a headset
<Snecklift> gorkon, exactly
<vladster> ar2pc?
<vladster> got a link
<gorkon> sneck: I have bought stuff on promises of support...well no more.
<vladster> buy from canada 
<Snecklift> Buy the chip that is brought out to stop the broadcast falg
<Snecklift> *flag*
<Snecklift> I bet it will happen
<ben_o> Getting a working VoIP phone and trying to get a 'naked' ADSL line is the next step. From there, it's only world domination to go.
<FH> what make you think it'll be different in canada?
<Snecklift> ben_o, naked?
<rignes> Aeee?
<ben_o> No voice line
<gorkon> Like within the same day or hour even
<ben_o> ie no BT line rental...
<ben_o> Maybe not in my lifetime
<judah> but then the law will be if you circumvent the broadcast flag, you're a terrorist..
<judah> :>
<Snecklift> I dunno, if LLU is tied in with it, you might be lucky
<rignes> I think I'm missing the point of this interview.  It would help if I payed attention for a second or two. :/
<Snecklift> Everyone seems to be a terrorist until proven innocent at the moment
<Mark_S> he's one of the developers for mythTv
<Snecklift> I'm not listening as its a bit USA-centric at the mo.
<rignes> OHHH ok.
<Snecklift> dont know what this broadcast flag deal is all about
<rignes> Now I have it in context a bit better.
<cesman> BS article
<vladster> got a link on the article
<Snecklift> There's nobody like the BBC
<rignes> Yeah, if you want worthwhile news on what's going on in the US then don't rely on US news sources.  I like the BBC.
<vladster> got a link?
<vladster> anything for debian?
<allan> http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/
<judah> for people outside the states.. http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/
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<cesman> KnoppMyth!
<cesman> KnoppMyth!!
<cesman> ;)
<ben_o> BBC is more likely than a USA based news agency to publish the facts about World issues at the moment.
<Snecklift> that was a bit painful
<elgordo12> Why stress yourself out use Knoppmyth.  
<Snecklift> I'm happy to skype in guys if you want a guinea pig
<Snecklift> woah
<ben_o> Someone sat on the volume?
<gorkon> thanks for upping the audio
<elgordo12> hey this show actually has some audio now! dont touch it
<Ashley> The skype server suck big time. When you've got ports forwarded between two skype clients it's great. Any time you're going through their servers it's awful.
<Ryochan7> lol
<judah> no it went up!
<gorkon> don't dick wit it
<judah> no it went down..
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<judah> now*
<ben_o> Volume high or low, just please don't change it suddenly....
<gorkon> don't dick wit it
<Snecklift> voicemail
<ben_o> up
<gorkon> thanks for upping the audio
<judah> hey, this is WHY I like the tech show.. :>
<gorkon> linc: no we don't....well...not too hard! :D
<Mark_S> you need some AGC's to keep things steady.
<gorkon> You guys hear about CastBlaster from Adam???
<elgordo12> well that sucks, I'd like to hear the interview with Chris too
<allan> It's windows only
<gorkon> cisco router???
<gorkon> allan: yeah well....:D
<ben_o> TLLTS pastry review
<gorkon> allan: it sounds interesting anyway...would be nice if a open source project woud start with it....
<judah> breadtech!
<sean> lol
<gorkon> Panera bagels are DA BOMB!
<allan> Plus I think the audio from it sounds like shit.
<elgordo12> I agree
<gorkon> Asiago Cheese and Cinnamon Crunch bagels....yummy
<elgordo12> I wish he wouldn't focus on the windows platform
<gorkon> allan: I wonder if it's the SHIT tablet he's using??
<allan> It may be
<Mark_S> A lot of people piggy back off open wifi.
<gorkon> elgordol2: me too...kind of surprised me as big of a apple fan he is....
<sean> I thought everyone used free wifi when out and about
<ben_o> A lot of people piggy back off open wifi without knowing it with XP
<ben_o> Strongest signal and all
<Mark_S> lol.  That's what I'm saying.
<ben_o> yep
<Snecklift> Yeah but what if the other person pays by download amount
<gorkon> linc: never tried panera
<gorkon> ser panera
<Snecklift> say you go on and download a distro
<Mark_S> no download fees in the US.
<gorkon> damn....panera's wifi....but a local coffee shop has EXCELLENT wifi
<Snecklift> then they get charged however much for 3GB
<Mark_S> Unless you're on satellite
<ben_o> Works the other way too. Put out a stronger signal and run that through a 'custom' DNS....
<vladster> http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_3000.html
<gorkon> dann: Get a WRT54G....run one of the alternate firmwares.....
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<gorkon> hey vern
<Mark_S> I read an article that shows the FBI cracking a 128 bit wep in 3.5 minutes.
<justin> i have a wrt54g :)
<justin> i heard about that
<gorkon> justin: OH YEAH
<vladster> You need a cisco
<Cody> who cares about getting on the network, without wep I can sit outside your house and sniff all the packets. 
<justin> :)
<justin> and a WMP54G pci card
<ben_o> I trust cables. Twisted pairs I can see and touch and that is what I will use for my network
<Mark_S> F! a bunch of encryption.  I say share that wifi...
<vladster> hard to crack
<Cody> pop3 passwords, http passwords, etc etc etc
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<ben_o> ;)
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<gorkon> linc: I was there....til I got my Powerbook
<Cody> openvpn -> wifi -> wired network
<Cody> only way to go
<Mark_S> openwifi
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<vladster> airmedia pcmcia with the prism chip
<Snecklift> If you're going to sit outside someones house and crack WEP, then spoof MAC, you're a sad bastard.
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<gorkon> Once I got my powerbook, it worked well.
<ben_o> Ahhhh....
<gorkon> I NEED a bridge
<Justin> yeah!
<ben_o> How much is the bridge?
<Justin> WRT54G is the way to be
<gorkon> Thinking of getting another WRT54G...and runnign it in bridge mode
<allan> Pat says it was $120
<Cody> yeah, but if you're just mac filtering it's not the network usage that kills you it's the fact that you're broadcasting all your network traffic in plain view of anyone within 500 feet
<david> yea!  still looking for a good answer for that file sharing thing! :)
<ben_o> allan: thanks
<gorkon> allan; the bridge?  Yeah.....but a WRT54G can do the same thing with alternate firmware
<Justin> i've never changed the firmware
<Cody> most people still use plain text pop3 etc
<Justin> i stick to the "if it works, don't change it" policy
<vladster> samba comes to mind
<gorkon> Justin: WRT54G firmware is Linux, so there are MANY other firmware options that add lots of features
<ben_o> Was using Ethereal at work to track down an infected Windows box... saw way too many passwords
<Justin> yeah
<david> Umask is for everything though.... as I'm told.
<Justin> but i use the linksys one that came with it
<Justin> works fine :)
<gorkon> Justion: I did that....til the Linksys firmware refused to pass VPN traffic....then Iloaded WiFi box
<Justin> i don't have a vpn :(
<david> accees control?  Tell me!
<canadiant> back finally lol
<ben_o> ACL... does this require SeLinux fully set up?
<gorkon> Justin: I usually don't either, but my wife has to do work from home with a VPN
<Justin> ah
<david> No Reiser support for Access Control?  Crap.
<gorkon> Justin: Best to keep the wife happy
<Justin> :-D
<dann> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=183
<gorkon> grin
<Justin> ooh
<ben_o> Thanks for the link
<Justin> i gtg
<Justin> bye
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<vladster> I will be stuck with samba, everyone else uses windows
<gorkon> Oh...Tiger is adding ACL's
<rignes> It sucks that it doesn't work on reiserfs yet.
<rignes> Since that's what all my drives are. :(
<gorkon> rignes: Agreed.  Isn't reiserfs better for small files?  Something Linux has alot of? :D
<rignes> Yup, that's what I read about reiserfs.
<rignes> Now, what about the forthcoming reiser4?
<rignes> Maybe that will support it?
<gorkon> rignes: one would hope
<ben_o> It's worth putting at least your /usr and /etc in a ReiserFS partition.
<Mark_S> acl's aren't worth giving up reiser
<ben_o> (Speed wise)
<rignes> Nope.  I don't have a compelling reason to use ACL's for myself.  
<Mark_S> I don't worry so much about my filesystems with reiser because it recovers FAST!
<david> Thanks for the advice!
<rignes> BUT, if I ever get to talk those people I work with into letting me run some linux then it'll be good to know.
<ben_o> SMB - you can also specificy the uid as well, can't you?
<gorkon> Mark_S: Unless you really need ACL's.....I always say if you run into a issue where you think you need ACL's, but you can rework the groups a bit sometimes and work around needing them.....if you can't, well....then you need ACL's.
<Mark_S> Yeah, cisco routers use ACL's and they are really handy
<vladster> If you are in a mixed environment, you can't mount a nfs share with windows without spending a small dortune
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<Mark_S> But samba will cover for most of the losers I have to take care of.
<gorkon> linc: I bought a NICE system about 2 years ago....I have not used it in over a year regularly because when my wife is not working she's freecycling, chatting and what not.
<vladster> me first
<gorkon> rofl
<rignes> No
<vladster> you better get a gas mask with the way he farts
<gorkon> Yeah.....setup some long distance wifi
<ben_o> WiMax it to the UK and you can count me in
<gorkon> dig out the pringles can!
<ben_o> Who's got the string?
<ben_o> Acoustic link! ;)
<vladster> open the lines
<Mark_S> Brilliant! Pat
<gorkon> I can't wait til waffle house opens near me....3 am pecan waffles and a tbone....
<gorkon> bagel man
<gorkon> jesus
<ben_o> WTF!"
<gorkon> whooooo
<vladster> stuffin martha's muffin
<Ryochan7> ouch
<gorkon> OUCH
<rignes> AAHHHH!!!
<vladster> from mogo nixon
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<gorkon> snecj??
<gorkon> nope
<Ryochan7> rofl
<ben_o> Near 3am
<gorkon> crap
<vladster> just a tad
<libervisc> 4 AM yes
<Kent> oh the pain!!!
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<gorkon> sneck
<libervisc> lol
<sean> huh
<gorkon> bltuusksandkjndwkjqndewkjnd
<gorkon> rofl
<Snecklift> thats nuts
<sean> lol
<gorkon> rofl
<Ashley> That's really bad.
<vladster> lag
<Ryochan7> that is some choppy audio
<vladster> local only
<gorkon> is he on the moon man????
<ben_o> ARGH
<gorkon> OUCH\
<gorkon> wtf
<libervisc> LOL
<vladster> oh the pain
<gorkon> rofl
<libervisc> poor guys :D
<gorkon> is he on the moon man????
<Ryochan7> lol
<libervisc> He's from Mars
<gorkon> bye sneck
<vladster> captblood
<Cody> use the mirrors!!!!
<Snecklift> that was wierd
<Snecklift> There must have been about a 20 second delay
<libervisc> yes
<Cody> http://media.sysop.ca:8000/techshow
<Ashley> http://www.binrev.com:8000/main
<ben_o> http://media.sysop.ca:8000/techshow
<gorkon> you guys have been going over.....so thats why! :D
<ben_o> Is this okay?
<Snecklift> i thought ct was offline
<gorkon> that and I was being stupid lastnight
<gorkon> er tonight
<Cody> sysop.ca mirrors the stream 24x7
<gorkon> rofl
<gorkon> or the radiator
<Snecklift> ah shit hang on i figured it
<Snecklift> bugger
<Snecklift> too late
<ben_o> What was it, Sneck?
<gorkon> 21:59
<libervisc> call again :D
<libervisc> ;)
<Snecklift> I had ethereal runing and realplayer
<ben_o> Ah.... that would do it
<Snecklift> realplayer was looping back 20 seconds late
<Snecklift> jeez im an idiot
<libervisc> real player...ahh
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<gorkon> deeebian
<libervisc> What are you, on windows?
<Snecklift> fedora
<gorkon> YEAH!  PAT!
<libervisc> heh
<ben_o> That's quite a slur, libervisc   ;)
<libervisc> Hey, we want Pat! :D
<allan> Thanks for listening
<nintenduh> why not use helix player :)
<gorkon> damn sneck did not turn off the stream
<Mark_S> libervisc: real player is for Linux now.
<Snecklift> Sorry guys, that one was all my fault i think
<gorkon> linc: cool show
<ben_o> Gnight all
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<gorkon> OUCH!
<Snecklift> goodnight guys
<ben_o> and good morning Sneck!
<jceklosk> anyone out there hack up any buffalo linkstations?
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<sean> You guys should grill Ian about his discontentment over ubuntu / kubuntu
<libervisc> Mark_S, yeah, but it's not free :\
<Snecklift> :D
<Snecklift> cheers
<Ryochan7> night guys
<vladster> spam eggs sausage and spam
<vladster> I can hear you
<Ashley> Unexpected end of stream! You nailed it right on. :-)
<gorkon> wow
<Snecklift> it was my fault linc
<Mark_S> true, and I like xmms but it's there for those who aren't as free as us
<Snecklift> sorry 
<vladster> blame me
<Snecklift> fookin realplayer
<rignes> Someone willing to give me a call on skype?  I just want a 1 minute call to make sure I have it set right.
<init2null> good show - bye all
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> I think it was all the people conected here Sneck!
<rignes> SOmething doesn't seem right for me.
<Snecklift> call echo123 to test rignes
<vladster> screw the tmp
<gorkon> see....we got the after show thing where dann is talking into the mic about dumping temp fils
<gorkon> er files
<DaveQB-wo> binrev just cut it seems
<vladster> don't sing
<Snecklift> I had realplayer running so i was getting the late feed from your stream
> binrev cuts at 10
<DaveQB-wo> but it had a delay so missed the end of the show
<libervisc> We can still hear ya there!
<nintenduh> yeah stil platying
<libervisc> :D
<DaveQB-wo> doh!
<libervisc> lol
<Ryochan7> lol
<libervisc> just let it :D
<vladster> me here
<DaveQB-wo> after you pimp Binrev I switch and this is what I get :)
<Ryochan7> yeah
<rignes> Does that test if there is any feedback loops?
<gorkon> call them sneck
> gnight everyone!
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